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Kasz216 on 19 February 2013
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Here's my plan:

1. Secure the border.
What ever it takes, no matter the cost. No more drug, weapon, or human trafficking.

2. Repeal baby anchor laws.
To be a natural born US citizen you must have at least one full US citizen parent. It doesn't matter where you're born.

3. Issue work visas where needed and bust illegal alien employers.
No more illegal employment, period.

4. Send all illegal aliens back to their country of origin.
That includes whole families if need be. They broke the law and have no right to be here. They can apply for visas like everyone else and the path to citizenship will still be available to them. No more walking across the boarder and getting default citizenship.

5. Speed up legal immigration.
Fix the damn immigration process so it doesn't take half a lifetime. Make it faster, but make it thorough.

I get why you'd feel that way, but actually finding and sending back all the illegal aliens at this point would be prohibitivly expesnive for relative gain to the country as a whole at a time in which we have a huge budget deficit.



Outside the illegal aliens that specifically came here on order of the drug cartels illegal immigrants really don't get into much trouble criminally and are just like other immigrants outside not having some federal benefits, not paying taxes etc.

 

So essentially we'd be paying lots of money to track down, find and send millions of people back.  While simaltaniously spending a lot more money quickly approving and arrangeing travel/infrasturcture to bring in legal immigrants so we don't suffer from a lack of the workforce in low end argiculture type jobs.

 It's just too big and expensive a problem, hence why I think it makes sense to admit they "got over" on us.  Follow my plan above, then deport people after that.  Add in getting rid of the whole Anchor Baby thing and it still works pretty well.

Anchor Baby would require a constitutional amendment, though. Isn't that part of #14?

Yeah.  Though the actual "Anchor Baby" provsion wasn't really wasn't maintained until 30 years later.

I meant you could add that as a "Thing to do".

 

Really though the core of to me seems to

A) Stop Illegal Immigration

B) Stop the inefficency of having so many illegal aliens in the system who could be citizens.

C) Diversify immigrants further for more culutural and intellectual benefit.  Which is one of the losses we get through illegal immigration that nobody focuses on. 

 

Edit: Oh and while were at it.

D) Add an enterpenuer Visa.  If someone has enough money to open up a buisness and jobs in the US.  For the love of god let them.



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Mr Khan on 19 February 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Here's my plan:

1. Secure the border.
What ever it takes, no matter the cost. No more drug, weapon, or human trafficking.

2. Repeal baby anchor laws.
To be a natural born US citizen you must have at least one full US citizen parent. It doesn't matter where you're born.

3. Issue work visas where needed and bust illegal alien employers.
No more illegal employment, period.

4. Send all illegal aliens back to their country of origin.
That includes whole families if need be. They broke the law and have no right to be here. They can apply for visas like everyone else and the path to citizenship will still be available to them. No more walking across the boarder and getting default citizenship.

5. Speed up legal immigration.
Fix the damn immigration process so it doesn't take half a lifetime. Make it faster, but make it thorough.

I get why you'd feel that way, but actually finding and sending back all the illegal aliens at this point would be prohibitivly expesnive for relative gain to the country as a whole at a time in which we have a huge budget deficit.



Outside the illegal aliens that specifically came here on order of the drug cartels illegal immigrants really don't get into much trouble criminally and are just like other immigrants outside not having some federal benefits, not paying taxes etc.

 

So essentially we'd be paying lots of money to track down, find and send millions of people back.  While simaltaniously spending a lot more money quickly approving and arrangeing travel/infrasturcture to bring in legal immigrants so we don't suffer from a lack of the workforce in low end argiculture type jobs.

 It's just too big and expensive a problem, hence why I think it makes sense to admit they "got over" on us.  Follow my plan above, then deport people after that.  Add in getting rid of the whole Anchor Baby thing and it still works pretty well.

Anchor Baby would require a constitutional amendment, though. Isn't that part of #14?

 

The 14th Amendment is one of the reconstruction amendments and it's almost entirely out of date. Most of it was ratified to ensure former slaves could not be denied citizenship. At the time there where no immigration laws so the issue of anchor babies was an unforeseen consequence. The 14th Amendment would be easy to remove because we no longer have a need for any of it. Some people would throw a fit over the anchor baby thing, but anyone with a rational perspective can see that the 14th Amendment isn't needed, is out of date, and does more harm than good. I can't think of any other nation that hands out full citizenship to babies of foreign nationals who just happen to be within their border during birth. It's just plain stupid and it was never the intent of the 14th Amendment in the first place.

Oh no no no, certainly the 14th amendment is doing things it was never intended to do, but unlike the 2nd amendment doing things it was never intended to do, the unintentional consequences for #14 are usually good stuff.



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Kasz216 on 19 February 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Here's my plan:

1. Secure the border.
What ever it takes, no matter the cost. No more drug, weapon, or human trafficking.

2. Repeal baby anchor laws.
To be a natural born US citizen you must have at least one full US citizen parent. It doesn't matter where you're born.

3. Issue work visas where needed and bust illegal alien employers.
No more illegal employment, period.

4. Send all illegal aliens back to their country of origin.
That includes whole families if need be. They broke the law and have no right to be here. They can apply for visas like everyone else and the path to citizenship will still be available to them. No more walking across the boarder and getting default citizenship.

5. Speed up legal immigration.
Fix the damn immigration process so it doesn't take half a lifetime. Make it faster, but make it thorough.

I get why you'd feel that way, but actually finding and sending back all the illegal aliens at this point would be prohibitivly expesnive for relative gain to the country as a whole at a time in which we have a huge budget deficit.



Outside the illegal aliens that specifically came here on order of the drug cartels illegal immigrants really don't get into much trouble criminally and are just like other immigrants outside not having some federal benefits, not paying taxes etc.

 

So essentially we'd be paying lots of money to track down, find and send millions of people back.  While simaltaniously spending a lot more money quickly approving and arrangeing travel/infrasturcture to bring in legal immigrants so we don't suffer from a lack of the workforce in low end argiculture type jobs.

 It's just too big and expensive a problem, hence why I think it makes sense to admit they "got over" on us.  Follow my plan above, then deport people after that.  Add in getting rid of the whole Anchor Baby thing and it still works pretty well.

Anchor Baby would require a constitutional amendment, though. Isn't that part of #14?

The 14th Amendment is one of the reconstruction amendments and it's almost entirely out of date. Most of it was ratified to ensure former slaves could not be denied citizenship. At the time there where no immigration laws so the issue of anchor babies was an unforeseen consequence. The 14th Amendment would be easy to remove because we no longer have a need for any of it. Some people would throw a fit over the anchor baby thing, but anyone with a rational perspective can see that the 14th Amendment isn't needed, is out of date, and does more harm than good. I can't think of any other nation that hands out full citizenship to babies of foreign nationals who just happen to be within their border during birth. It's just plain stupid and it was never the intent of the 14th Amendment in the first place.


 

I'd disagree.

I think the Due Process and Equal Protection clauses are still important today.



JoeTheBro on 19 February 2013

I'd make legal immigration as easy and fast as possible.

I'd then at gunpoint force all the illegals to become citizens through ta fast and easy technique.

They're stealing our jobs! Simplest solution to give US citizens these jobs back is to make the illegals US citizens hahaha.



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McDonaldsGuy on 19 February 2013

WE should enforce immigration laws fast. No "path of citizenship" crap. They said they'd secure the borders and never do another amnesty in 86 and they LIED. They are lying again. They said in 86 there was only 1 million illegal immigrants - it ended up being 3 million. Today they are saying 11 million, yeah, that's Los Angeles County ALONE.

Fight for our country!



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McDonaldsGuy on 19 February 2013

Ronald Reagan, former traitor and enemy of the United States of America, promised to secure the borders after his disastrous 1986 amnesty (which killed the once great state of California):

Reagan signed the 86 amnesty bill, which promised:

The government would make a concerted effort to control the borders.
An effective employer verification program would ensure that only legal workers were hired.
One-time amnesty would be granted for people illegally in the United States.

Of course, none of this happened. We were lied too.

Time for America to WAKE UP before we're put down permanently.



RCTjunkie on 19 February 2013

Kasz216 for President!



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kain_kusanagi on 19 February 2013
Mr Khan said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Here's my plan:

1. Secure the border.
What ever it takes, no matter the cost. No more drug, weapon, or human trafficking.

2. Repeal baby anchor laws.
To be a natural born US citizen you must have at least one full US citizen parent. It doesn't matter where you're born.

3. Issue work visas where needed and bust illegal alien employers.
No more illegal employment, period.

4. Send all illegal aliens back to their country of origin.
That includes whole families if need be. They broke the law and have no right to be here. They can apply for visas like everyone else and the path to citizenship will still be available to them. No more walking across the boarder and getting default citizenship.

5. Speed up legal immigration.
Fix the damn immigration process so it doesn't take half a lifetime. Make it faster, but make it thorough.

I get why you'd feel that way, but actually finding and sending back all the illegal aliens at this point would be prohibitivly expesnive for relative gain to the country as a whole at a time in which we have a huge budget deficit.



Outside the illegal aliens that specifically came here on order of the drug cartels illegal immigrants really don't get into much trouble criminally and are just like other immigrants outside not having some federal benefits, not paying taxes etc.

 

So essentially we'd be paying lots of money to track down, find and send millions of people back.  While simaltaniously spending a lot more money quickly approving and arrangeing travel/infrasturcture to bring in legal immigrants so we don't suffer from a lack of the workforce in low end argiculture type jobs.

 It's just too big and expensive a problem, hence why I think it makes sense to admit they "got over" on us.  Follow my plan above, then deport people after that.  Add in getting rid of the whole Anchor Baby thing and it still works pretty well.

Anchor Baby would require a constitutional amendment, though. Isn't that part of #14?

 

 

The 14th Amendment is one of the reconstruction amendments and it's almost entirely out of date. Most of it was ratified to ensure former slaves could not be denied citizenship. At the time there where no immigration laws so the issue of anchor babies was an unforeseen consequence. The 14th Amendment would be easy to remove because we no longer have a need for any of it. Some people would throw a fit over the anchor baby thing, but anyone with a rational perspective can see that the 14th Amendment isn't needed, is out of date, and does more harm than good. I can't think of any other nation that hands out full citizenship to babies of foreign nationals who just happen to be within their border during birth. It's just plain stupid and it was never the intent of the 14th Amendment in the first place.



 

Oh no no no, certainly the 14th amendment is doing things it was never intended to do, but unlike the 2nd amendment doing things it was never intended to do, the unintentional consequences for #14 are usually good stuff.


The 2nd Amendment doesn't do ANYTHING more than what it was supposed to. It gives me the right to own and carry firearms. That is what it was intended to do, that is exactly what it does, and if you like the 1st amendment you can thank the 2nd for protecting it.

 



fordy on 19 February 2013
Kasz216 said:

 

D) Add an enterpenuer Visa.  If someone has enough money to open up a buisness and jobs in the US.  For the love of god let them.


Weren't you just talking about queue jumping?



the_dengle on 19 February 2013
Kasz216 said:

A) Spend real money to secure the borders enough to impress most Republicans.

Well that sounds like a catch-22. Spend too litte, "he's not doing enough."

Spend too much, "we need to cut spending, not raise it"/"these matters should be left to the states."