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If you played the game, do you think this review was good?

YES 89 52.66%
 
NO 79 46.75%
 
Total:168
easyrider said:
Runa216 said:
easyrider said:

Insulting my reading skills and people who oppose you won't get you anywhere in this business.

I'm not insulting your reading skills, I'm criticizing your reading comprehension.  you have a nasty habit of making assumptions, accusations, and in some cases just making things up. 

I also want to know WHY you are so insistent on forcing me to play all difficulty modes.  My issue wasn't with the difficulty, my issue was with the games disconnect from its genre to its gameplay mechanics.  It doesn't matter what difficulty the game is on, those issues will still be there.  the weapon crafting is still easy as hell to abuse, the controls are, for an action game, still slow and sluggish, there's still so much in the way of ammo and health that you might as well have infinite both. It doesn't matter if you're on different modes or difficulties, those issues still persist.  Co Op, singleplayer, it doesn't matter.  it'll make the enemies harder or give you fewer crafting options or limit health and ammo drops, but you'll still be fighting against monsters that move too damn fast to properly eviscerate.  It's still a game where aiming in the general direction and hoping the enemy dies before you run out of ammo is about as deep as it gets.  

After having done this review, gotten a bunch of flack from people like you, and asking FANS of the game for clarification to ensure I didn't miss anything, I've only gotten stronger in my resolve that I'm not wrong.  My analysis of the game is that it messes up in key areas, excels in others, but is mostly mediocre.  therefore I give it a mediocre score.  I've said it before, I'll say it again:  you might be okay with shallow, porrly written games like this, but I am not.  I want depth.  I want originality.  I want fluidity.  I want a game with a well told story and deep characters. I want a game with tight controls.  I want a game that has enemies that are fun to kill.  I want a game where I feel awesome and badass and strong.  I want a game where above all else I'm having fun. 

When two thirds of my time in a game is dedicated to replaying some event becuase I got killed by something I didn't hear, or a hazard I didn't know was a hazard, or swearing at the game, or cursing at the bland, predictable plot twist, or getting frustrated at the enemies rather than the maddening glee that comes from sawing something in half in Gears of War, I'm not having a good time.  If I'm not having a good time, I can't in good conscience give it anything more than a 5.  When the only outstanding or otherwise good things about the game are a plot point thet can only be unlocked in a certain mode and a weapon crafting system that kinda destroys what made the original so good, I can't give it a good score. 

I did love the crafting system and Carver's madness, but I thought the graphics and art design were boring and uninspired. I felt the voice acting was okay, but nothing special.  the music and score were no better.  The controls were sluggish for an action game, the story was poorly told (though detailed if you watch the movies and read the books and take note of ALL the datalogs and audiologs in-game), and the disconnect between gameplay and story was way too wide to not facepalm every five minutes.  

Even my friend that played co op with me, who liked the game, cried foul just as often as I did.  My brother laughed, telling me it was hilarious to hear me yelling at the game for some stupid plot point or cheesy dialogue or cheap death.  

So tell me, based on that analysis, how is a 5 uncalled for?  Based on my experiences with the game, why in the world would I give this a 7 or an 8?  a 7 is a good game, an 8 is great.  This is not a great game.  It's a schizophrenic mess, as much as Carver's mind.  I can't claim it does very much well or even adequately.  it would be dishonest and terrible game review had I given it an 8.  

And no, my emotions are not what's driving me to give the game a 'harsh' score.  I enjoyed the first, but I'm not attached to it.  my criticisms come from a game design perspective as well as a writeer's perspective.  

Alright, I've never conversated with beyond this thread. WTF are you talking about?

yet you attack me again and again. WOW!!!



LOL. He didn't attack you. In fact he explained his reasoning with much detail. Yet you ignore all of that and post this? Are you even going to acknowledge his points?

This post, in conjunction with your avatar, leads me to believe you are just playing with our emotions.

Mind you, I am secretly Runa's 4th alt account so take what I say with a grain of salt.

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So, I went to metacritic and found that the average score as at 70ish or so. Which makes this review pretty good IMO. Why so? i prefer to read the reviews that shit on the games and give low scores. These people are either biased, have high standards, or are just plain nasty.

With that said, these people who give low scores tend to nit pick on every little detail. These little things that make them give low scores are what I want to know. For example, Bayoneta got a decently high score and a lot of praise from some reviewers. Against my usual MO, I decided to buy it only to find that I could not tell what the hell was going on half the time with all the crazy colors flying around. If I'd known this before hand, I would have never bought it.



now I know I am hung over still but I swear the Poll question a couple hours ago said

If you played the game, do you think the game is good?



 

 

Cobretti2 said:
now I know I am hung over still but I swear the Poll question a couple hours ago said

If you played the game, do you think the game is good?


LOL, I must admit, the OP is quite skilled at his craft.

ils411 said:
So, I went to metacritic and found that the average score as at 70ish or so. Which makes this review pretty good IMO. Why so? i prefer to read the reviews that shit on the games and give low scores. These people are either biased, have high standards, or are just plain nasty.

With that said, these people who give low scores tend to nit pick on every little detail. These little things that make them give low scores are what I want to know. For example, Bayoneta got a decently high score and a lot of praise from some reviewers. Against my usual MO, I decided to buy it only to find that I could not tell what the hell was going on half the time with all the crazy colors flying around. If I'd known this before hand, I would have never bought it.

I second this. I usually find that negative reviews are more useful.....but not because they're better reviews...its because most positive reviews don't discuss  the negative points of games at all, so you have to read the negative reviews to get the complete picture.



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Jay520 said:
Cobretti2 said:
now I know I am hung over still but I swear the Poll question a couple hours ago said

If you played the game, do you think the game is good?


LOL, I must admit, the OP is quite skilled at his craft.


Yep and all the votes agree with me overwhelmingly. So it's some conspiracy I'm just making up. Give me a break.



easyrider said:
Runa216 said:
easyrider said:

Insulting my reading skills and people who oppose you won't get you anywhere in this business.

I'm not insulting your reading skills, I'm criticizing your reading comprehension.  you have a nasty habit of making assumptions, accusations, and in some cases just making things up. 

I also want to know WHY you are so insistent on forcing me to play all difficulty modes.  My issue wasn't with the difficulty, my issue was with the games disconnect from its genre to its gameplay mechanics.  It doesn't matter what difficulty the game is on, those issues will still be there.  the weapon crafting is still easy as hell to abuse, the controls are, for an action game, still slow and sluggish, there's still so much in the way of ammo and health that you might as well have infinite both. It doesn't matter if you're on different modes or difficulties, those issues still persist.  Co Op, singleplayer, it doesn't matter.  it'll make the enemies harder or give you fewer crafting options or limit health and ammo drops, but you'll still be fighting against monsters that move too damn fast to properly eviscerate.  It's still a game where aiming in the general direction and hoping the enemy dies before you run out of ammo is about as deep as it gets.  

After having done this review, gotten a bunch of flack from people like you, and asking FANS of the game for clarification to ensure I didn't miss anything, I've only gotten stronger in my resolve that I'm not wrong.  My analysis of the game is that it messes up in key areas, excels in others, but is mostly mediocre.  therefore I give it a mediocre score.  I've said it before, I'll say it again:  you might be okay with shallow, porrly written games like this, but I am not.  I want depth.  I want originality.  I want fluidity.  I want a game with a well told story and deep characters. I want a game with tight controls.  I want a game that has enemies that are fun to kill.  I want a game where I feel awesome and badass and strong.  I want a game where above all else I'm having fun. 

When two thirds of my time in a game is dedicated to replaying some event becuase I got killed by something I didn't hear, or a hazard I didn't know was a hazard, or swearing at the game, or cursing at the bland, predictable plot twist, or getting frustrated at the enemies rather than the maddening glee that comes from sawing something in half in Gears of War, I'm not having a good time.  If I'm not having a good time, I can't in good conscience give it anything more than a 5.  When the only outstanding or otherwise good things about the game are a plot point thet can only be unlocked in a certain mode and a weapon crafting system that kinda destroys what made the original so good, I can't give it a good score. 

I did love the crafting system and Carver's madness, but I thought the graphics and art design were boring and uninspired. I felt the voice acting was okay, but nothing special.  the music and score were no better.  The controls were sluggish for an action game, the story was poorly told (though detailed if you watch the movies and read the books and take note of ALL the datalogs and audiologs in-game), and the disconnect between gameplay and story was way too wide to not facepalm every five minutes.  

Even my friend that played co op with me, who liked the game, cried foul just as often as I did.  My brother laughed, telling me it was hilarious to hear me yelling at the game for some stupid plot point or cheesy dialogue or cheap death.  

So tell me, based on that analysis, how is a 5 uncalled for?  Based on my experiences with the game, why in the world would I give this a 7 or an 8?  a 7 is a good game, an 8 is great.  This is not a great game.  It's a schizophrenic mess, as much as Carver's mind.  I can't claim it does very much well or even adequately.  it would be dishonest and terrible game review had I given it an 8.  

And no, my emotions are not what's driving me to give the game a 'harsh' score.  I enjoyed the first, but I'm not attached to it.  my criticisms come from a game design perspective as well as a writeer's perspective.  

Alright, I've never conversated with beyond this thread. WTF are you talking about?

yet you attack me again and again. WOW!!!

Wait, wait, wait...did I miss something? like, when he attacked you? Was there a stealth edit somehwere? coz I fail to see where the aformentioned attack took place.



easyrider said:
Jay520 said:
Cobretti2 said:
now I know I am hung over still but I swear the Poll question a couple hours ago said

If you played the game, do you think the game is good?


LOL, I must admit, the OP is quite skilled at his craft.


Yep and all the votes agree with me overwhelmingly. So it's some conspiracy I'm just making up. Give me a break.

By all, you mean that everyone who voted voted for no and agrees with you? last I looked there were 37 no vots and 20 yes vots. I wouldn't call that "all". Overwhelmingly...maybe if i try really really hard to believe it..all? nah!



How about mentioning the game in the thread-title?



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

How about mentioning the game in OP?