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CrazzyMan said:

The difference 160k.

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 24th Dec 2006 to 31st Dec 2006:

ConsolePS3

Total
359,443

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 31st Dec 2006 to 07th Jan 2007:

ConsolePS3

Total
306,581

Try again? =)


I still have no idea what you're trying to show.  Again you're including the week ending 31st Dec 2006 twice.

 

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 31st Dec 2006 to 31st Dec 2006:


ConsoleWiiPS3
Total
284,997
171,582

That would explain for your differences in the first table.  The second table merely shows that the 3rd week(the week after the common week) had less sales than the first week(the week before the common week). 



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Of course you think that, that way the PS3 might actually win. It's the same "Oh if we discount the fastest selling system of all time then hey we're winning!" argument we've heard over and over again.

If you want proof PS3 is still losing money just check out Sony's financial reports.

Are you of the opinion that Nintendo was beating Sony back when N64 launched because if you combined it with the SNES then more Nintendo consoles were sold? That statement is just as ridiculous.



Game_boy said:

Sony is losing money. Sony has low software sales. Sony is losing in each market segment it is in. Sony's products are either declining ior remaining constant in sales. Therefore, Sony has little influence over the video game market. Selectively quoting figures won't change that.

As for PS3 losing money, after the PS3's launch iSuppli calculated a single PS3 cost $800+ to produce without factoring in marketing, development and distribution costs. Sony sells PS3s to retailers for slighly less than $499 or $399. A 50% drop in price in just over a year is impossible.


The PS2 outsold the Xbox360 last year, while sales of the PS3 have pulled even with the 360 since November. Sony's software sales are fine - the PSP is a bit low, but they also sell media content, so it's a wash.

As far as price goes, iSuppli's list included the startup costs for BluRay ($125 for the laser diode) as well as  the backwards compatibility chip ($25). The diodes are down to $20 or less, and the EE chip is gone. All the other components will get a 30% annual cost reduction, which is standard in the electronics biz. Net result: close to a 40% cost reduction, which means the PS3 is close to breakeven. Here's the math:

$804 - $105 (BluRay savings) - $25 (EE gone) = $ 674 X 0.70 = $472.

Throw in the appreciation of the euro (the 399EUR model = $599 US) and the PS3 is close to breakeven on manufacturing costs.

 



Game_boy said:

Sony is losing money. Sony has low software sales. Sony is losing in each market segment it is in. Sony's products are either declining ior remaining constant in sales. Therefore, Sony has little influence over the video game market. Selectively quoting figures won't change that. 

As for PS3 losing money, after the PS3's launch iSuppli calculated a single PS3 cost $800+ to produce without factoring in marketing, development and distribution costs. Sony sells PS3s to retailers for slighly less than $499 or $399. A 50% drop in price in just over a year is impossible. The real proof, however, is that Sony is losing and expects to further lose many multiples of 10^9 USD. That loss can only come from selling a product at a massive loss, and so the PS3, PSP and/or the PS2 must lose massive amounts of money.


Thank you for your bull$hit rant.



 

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SlorgNet said:
Game_boy said:

Sony is losing money. Sony has low software sales. Sony is losing in each market segment it is in. Sony's products are either declining ior remaining constant in sales. Therefore, Sony has little influence over the video game market. Selectively quoting figures won't change that.

As for PS3 losing money, after the PS3's launch iSuppli calculated a single PS3 cost $800+ to produce without factoring in marketing, development and distribution costs. Sony sells PS3s to retailers for slighly less than $499 or $399. A 50% drop in price in just over a year is impossible.


The PS2 outsold the Xbox360 last year, while sales of the PS3 have pulled even with the 360 since November. Sony's software sales are fine - the PSP is a bit low, but they also sell media content, so it's a wash.

As far as price goes, iSuppli's list included the startup costs for BluRay ($125 for the laser diode) as well as the backwards compatibility chip ($25). The diodes are down to $20 or less, and the EE chip is gone. All the other components will get a 30% annual cost reduction, which is standard in the electronics biz. Net result: close to a 40% cost reduction, which means the PS3 is close to breakeven. Here's the math:

$804 - $105 (BluRay savings) - $25 (EE gone) = $ 674 X 0.70 = $472.

Throw in the appreciation of the euro (the 399EUR model = $599 US) and the PS3 is close to breakeven on manufacturing costs.

 


I agree they're getting closer, but there are other costs such as distribution, marketing, etc., etc.  My guess is Sony will be making money on each unit by 4th quarter, assuming they don't drop the price again before that time.

 



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dbot said:
dschumm said:
I always find this arguement frustrating. The PS2 and PS3 don't exist in bubbles serperate from each other. Same as the Wii and PS3. Wether you like to believe it or not some people have purchased the Wii and because of the have delayed or canceled plans to buy a PS3. Same with PS2. Some people who went to the store specifically chose to get a PS2 instead of a PS3 and now are probably not buying a PS3 any time soon. I think that huge PS2 sales are HURTING Sony not helping.

I would make the arguement that the portables are competing with the PS3 as well to some extent(see Japan). But I am not going to waste anyone's time convincing them of that.

Most PS2 consumers are either replacing a broken PS2 or are late generation purchasers, who wont be selecting a system until long after the war is over. They will wait unitil the one of the wii/ps3/360 is under $150 and has the lion's share of the games produced.

Stop repeating Sony's talking points. I agree that Sony had a better year than people wanted to give them credit for but 2007 proved that last generation's influence isn't going to decide anything.


I am not aware that I am repeating any "talking points".  I have been hesitant to post on this site because it seems as though any pro-sony or pro-ms comments are immediately dismissed as being "fan-boys".  I assure you that I am not a fan-boy. 

Personally, I think the Wii's sales should be compared solely to the PS2's sales (standard definition and sub $300) and the 360 to the PS3 (high definition and higher price points). 

 


Why on earth would you not compare two competing products? The higher price point does not put the other consoles in a different market. If it did we would compare 360 Core sales to 360 Premium. I would bet your average consumer does not want to buy more than one game console in a generation. As a result any console sold by your competitor can be viewed as a bad thing for all competing consoles.

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All's fair and well with Sony breaking even with the PS3, but when people talk about earning the extra money in Europe does anyone bother to count how much money Sony lost in Japan selling the PS3 there for a mere 400$ while the rest of the world had it for 600 $ or above?



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http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061116-8239.html

one place where they talk about the production cost of a ps3 but that was over a year ago and prices have gone down but prices for ps3 also have come down so that may off set the lower prices for hardware to some degree, also people saying that they took out a few things (which is bad, I would want everything...) which reduces the cost as well.

Few months ago there was talk on how sony lost all the profits from ps2 in making ps3 (promotions,production costs, etc..), so sony is losing money on ps3 but maybe not so much anymore.



@SlorgNet

If you add VAT, import taxes to EU, distribution, marketing budget, already wasted money on development and ongoing development costs for e.g. new SKUs, PS3 is anything but breaking even .....
That 30% annual cost reduction might be the case for some components but for sure not in general.
According to your calculation, $472 manufacturing costs would be around 79 percent of the EUR retail price which sounds anything but healthy ....
They can only break even if they sell massive amounts of software imho, that's where the profit is.




DKII said:
Of course you think that, that way the PS3 might actually win. It's the same "Oh if we discount the fastest selling system of all time then hey we're winning!" argument we've heard over and over again.

If you want proof PS3 is still losing money just check out Sony's financial reports.

Are you of the opinion that Nintendo was beating Sony back when N64 launched because if you combined it with the SNES then more Nintendo consoles were sold? That statement is just as ridiculous.

 



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