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VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
 

Ironically if they did that Apple TV sales would shoot through the roof.

This really isn;t a big deal, I mean its multimedia capabilities alone will make things more convienent for everyone. But now its like PS fans, having a numerical advantage on the internet, will keep playing this card to diffuse all hype of the Xbox from now until launch.Thats dirty propaganda.....

Keep up with the insults. You know absolutely nothing about my personal life, so don't pretend to.

Just because somethine is convenient for you, doens't mean it's convenient for everyone. I'll leave it at that.

With Bluray in the next Xbox, the voice search and gesture controls, not to mention video chatting, makes the Xbox a true media hub then the PS4 can ever be. Thats something in itself.

So MS really just has to focus on making games, with the media hub agenda out of the picture since they would have won off the bat.



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fordy said:
VGKing said:

Those are all gimmicks. The original Kinect already offers much of that functionality. 

Kinect 2.0 is just that, Kinect 2.0. A better version of the Kinect you already have.

This is patently wrong. Notice that the company that made Kinect - Primesense - has nothing to do with Kinect2.

Once again for all those stubborn believers: Notice that while MS bought every company left and right involved in 3D image processing during Kinect development, they did neither buy any Primesense patents nor did they buy Primesense itself. (Primesense, by the way, has long downscaled its workforce due to lower demands. It was all in the news for those who noticed). And for those who continuously post that Kinect is a profitable device - no it isn't by a long stretch. Simply add up all the advertising hype costss, multiple company takeover costs and development costs - and your 24 million sold Kinects (most of which sold barely above manufacturing costs during the Chritmas periods) don't even come close to level those costs.



drkohler said:
fordy said:
VGKing said:

Those are all gimmicks. The original Kinect already offers much of that functionality. 

Kinect 2.0 is just that, Kinect 2.0. A better version of the Kinect you already have.

This is patently wrong. Notice that the company that made Kinect - Primesense - has nothing to do with Kinect2.

Once again for all those stubborn believers: Notice that while MS bought every company left and right involved in 3D image processing during Kinect development, they did neither buy any Primesense patents nor did they buy Primesense itself. (Primesense, by the way, has long downscaled its workforce due to lower demands. It was all in the news for those who noticed). And for those who continuously post that Kinect is a profitable device - no it isn't by a long stretch. Simply add up all the advertising hype costss, multiple company takeover costs and development costs - and your 24 million sold Kinects (most of which sold barely above manufacturing costs during the Chritmas periods) don't even come close to level those costs.

Well thats just wishful thinking with 0 basis, and completely not taking into account kinect software sales as a means for profitability.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
 

Ironically if they did that Apple TV sales would shoot through the roof.

This really isn;t a big deal, I mean its multimedia capabilities alone will make things more convienent for everyone. But now its like PS fans, having a numerical advantage on the internet, will keep playing this card to diffuse all hype of the Xbox from now until launch.Thats dirty propaganda.....

Keep up with the insults. You know absolutely nothing about my personal life, so don't pretend to.

Just because somethine is convenient for you, doens't mean it's convenient for everyone. I'll leave it at that.

With Bluray in the next Xbox, the voice search and gesture controls, not to mention video chatting, makes the Xbox a true media hub then the PS4 can ever be. Thats something in itself.

So MS really just has to focus on making games, with the media hub agenda out of the picture since they would have won off the bat.

Good thing MS took care of that then! I was worried I wouldn't be able to watch Netflix on my Xbox next gen. 



VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
 

Ironically if they did that Apple TV sales would shoot through the roof.

This really isn;t a big deal, I mean its multimedia capabilities alone will make things more convienent for everyone. But now its like PS fans, having a numerical advantage on the internet, will keep playing this card to diffuse all hype of the Xbox from now until launch.Thats dirty propaganda.....

Keep up with the insults. You know absolutely nothing about my personal life, so don't pretend to.

Just because somethine is convenient for you, doens't mean it's convenient for everyone. I'll leave it at that.

With Bluray in the next Xbox, the voice search and gesture controls, not to mention video chatting, makes the Xbox a true media hub then the PS4 can ever be. Thats something in itself.

So MS really just has to focus on making games, with the media hub agenda out of the picture since they would have won off the bat.

Good thing MS took care of that then! I was worried I wouldn't be able to watch Netflix on my Xbox next gen. 

Nice comeback!

FYI Netflix is available for silver members now. It was announced but it wasnt widely spread



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sales2099 said:

With Bluray in the next Xbox, the voice search and gesture controls, not to mention video chatting, makes the Xbox a true media hub then the PS4 can ever be. Thats something in itself.

So MS really just has to focus on making games, with the media hub agenda out of the picture since they would have won off the bat.

Video game console is for video games, not voice search, gesture controls, or video chatting. If I want to video chat, I'll use skype on my phone or laptop. It's perceived value in something that is devoid of value. And you're defending it, lol. 



dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:

With Bluray in the next Xbox, the voice search and gesture controls, not to mention video chatting, makes the Xbox a true media hub then the PS4 can ever be. Thats something in itself.

So MS really just has to focus on making games, with the media hub agenda out of the picture since they would have won off the bat.

Video game console is for video games, not voice search, gesture controls, or video chatting. If I want to video chat, I'll use skype on my phone or laptop. It's perceived value in something that is devoid of value. And you're defending it, lol. 

Thats just it, MS wants it to be an all in one, so you can skype on your tv instead of a small phone/laptop screen. I like media....we all do. Now its on one console along with my games. I dont see the issue.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:

With Bluray in the next Xbox, the voice search and gesture controls, not to mention video chatting, makes the Xbox a true media hub then the PS4 can ever be. Thats something in itself.

So MS really just has to focus on making games, with the media hub agenda out of the picture since they would have won off the bat.

Video game console is for video games, not voice search, gesture controls, or video chatting. If I want to video chat, I'll use skype on my phone or laptop. It's perceived value in something that is devoid of value. And you're defending it, lol. 

Thats just it, MS wants it to be an all in one, so you can skype on your tv instead of a small phone/laptop screen. I like media....we all do. Now its on one console along with my games. I dont see the issue.

Well I thought I was clear about this. Perceived value is not the same as value. 

You want a machine that runs games, skype, television, and a multitude of other things? Get a PC. 



sales2099 said:
VGKing said:

Good thing MS took care of that then! I was worried I wouldn't be able to watch Netflix on my Xbox next gen. 

Nice comeback!

FYI Netflix is available for silver members now. It was announced but it wasnt widely spread

Don't butt in to other peoples conversations.

Netflix is still a Gold feature you know. It was only available for Silver members for like 2 days.



drkohler said:
fordy said:
VGKing said:

Those are all gimmicks. The original Kinect already offers much of that functionality. 

Kinect 2.0 is just that, Kinect 2.0. A better version of the Kinect you already have.

This is patently wrong. Notice that the company that made Kinect - Primesense - has nothing to do with Kinect2.

Once again for all those stubborn believers: Notice that while MS bought every company left and right involved in 3D image processing during Kinect development, they did neither buy any Primesense patents nor did they buy Primesense itself. (Primesense, by the way, has long downscaled its workforce due to lower demands. It was all in the news for those who noticed). And for those who continuously post that Kinect is a profitable device - no it isn't by a long stretch. Simply add up all the advertising hype costss, multiple company takeover costs and development costs - and your 24 million sold Kinects (most of which sold barely above manufacturing costs during the Chritmas periods) don't even come close to level those costs.

Primesense didn't make Kinect.  Microsoft utilized Primesense's technology to create Kinect.  However what is happening at or with Primesense has nothing to do with the success of Kinect.  Primsesense licenses technology that other companies utilize in their devices.  At the time Kinect was released, Primesense only offered reference kits for development use.  They later partnered with ASUS to produce a Kinect-like device, but it wasn't 1:1 with Kinect.

Primesesense would not have ramped up their business based on Kinect sales because Kinect sales would have had nothing to do with their business other than the licensing they had already done with Microsoft.  I'm sure Primesense was assuming the partnership with ASUS would have yielded better sales than it likely has, but if there was any decrease in business it would have been because they ramped it up thinking they'd get greater sales or integration work.

As for Kinect 2, no it utilizes the technology that Microsoft bought.  So instead of using IR to detect motion and depth that Primesense technology uses, it uses a low-power laser.  The result is a faster, better 3D motion/depth sensing system.