Miguel_Zorro said:
I'm not sure how anyone could possibly interpret what he said the way you interpreted it. |
You're right. Melting pot theory is a LOT more intolerable towards different cultures when compared to multiculturalism.
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Miguel_Zorro said:
I'm not sure how anyone could possibly interpret what he said the way you interpreted it. |
You're right. Melting pot theory is a LOT more intolerable towards different cultures when compared to multiculturalism.
fordy said:
On top of this, the "melting pot" concept is actually seen as intolerable towards other cultures, because the concept is that cultures mix to form ONE culture, and is AGAINST diversity. Multiculturalism aims to preserve cultures and build tolerance between them. See melting pot vs multiculturalism. |
In America we want everyone to be themselves as well as be American. That's not the same as making everyone turn away from their heritage and a white picket fence. That's why we don't want schools teaching in Spanish or French. We want our citizens to be American first and have their own thing going on too. US culture is a mix of assimilation and multiculturalism. When I used the term "Melting Pot" I was not referring to the outdated viewpoint that everyone coming to the USA should cast away their name. I was referring to the present day tolerant view that we can be American and still keep our unique cultural traditions. Within reason. I mean we don't allow honor killings and stuff like that.
The majority of American does not believe in the open boarders and anything goes that hardcore Multiculturalists want. American loves its "Americaness" and we know that it's the mix of cultures that makes it so American. That's what I was referring to. The term "Melting Pot" may be an outdated choices of words, but now you know what I meant.
kain_kusanagi said:
In America we want everyone to be themselves as well as be American. That's not the same as making everyone turn away from their heritage and a white picket fence. That's why we don't want schools teaching in Spanish or French. We want our citizens to be American first and have their own thing going on too. US culture is a mix of assimilation and multiculturalism. When I used the term "Melting Pot" I was not referring to the outdated viewpoint that everyone coming to the USA should cast away their name. I was referring to the present day tolerant view that we can be American and still keep our unique cultural traditions. Within reason. I mean we don't allow honor killings and stuff like that. The majority of American does not believe in the open boarders and anything goes that hardcore Multiculturalists want. American loves its "Americaness" and we know that it's the mix of cultures that makes it so American. That's what I was referring to. The term "Melting Pot" may be an outdated choices of words, but now you know what I meant. |
Your argument fails to recognise that a multicultural society also embraces similar. Despite a mix of different cultures, their common trait is the ideals that they all embrace: tolerance for all cultures. America has YET to formally adopt a multiculturalism in any policy at the federal level. The first to do so was Canada, followed by Australia in the 1970s.
Fear of open borders policy extends towards melting pot theory, on the basis of fear of BEING assimilated rather than assimilating others, once another culture becomes too common. In a multicultural society, this is not the case. That's why you'll find that many who support melting pot do not want open borders, and those who support multiculturalism are indifferent towards it.
However, boasting that America "engulfs" other cultures isn't exactly a positive thing when talking about cultural diversity, you know...
kain_kusanagi said:
You and I both know that if you wanted to shoot a gun you would have to do a hell of a lot more than I would. For me it's as simple as unlocking my gun safe, driving to an outdoor area and setting up some targets. If you really wanted to shoot a gun, you will need to jump through a lot of hoops and it won't be your gun, unless you have an extremely restricted license and are a member of sanctioned club. As for my examples of Burger King, Halo 4, etc. Those are just some examples of great stuff born in the USA that I enjoy. I just listed a bunch of stuff that is as American as Hotdogs and Baseball. Sure you can buy a hotdog in Germany and watch baseball in Japan, but you know what I mean.
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As american as baseball? or as English as rounders? haha, i have hotdogs in my fridge now......but still you havnt tipped your hat to me ;)
Romans. In 250AD
Rome sent a contingent of black legionnaires, drawn from the African part of the empire, to stand guard on Hadrian’s Wall.Romans finally quit in the fifth century, the way was clear for the-Germanic tribes that would slowly become the English.
Four hundred years after the Jutes, Angles and Saxons colonised modern-day southern England, the Vikings arrived, bringing a distinctive new influence to the cultural pot.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/race/short_history_of_immigration.stm
ill post the link theres too much to write
Well, I'm from Argentina, and I really like living here. It's not been thbe best years for us ultimately tbh,but I can't complain. We don't have severe drug problems, we don't have school massacres, there's plenty of work, tons of excellent food and variety, beautiful, big cities and a los of natural landscapes, natural resources... The only thing I hate is that we are not a relevant market for video games, so they don't take us seriously and it's kind of expensive to be a gamer here. For the rest, I'm really happy with living here?
phinch1 said:
Romans. In 250AD Rome sent a contingent of black legionnaires, drawn from the African part of the empire, to stand guard on Hadrian’s Wall.Romans finally quit in the fifth century, the way was clear for the-Germanic tribes that would slowly become the English. Four hundred years after the Jutes, Angles and Saxons colonised modern-day southern England, the Vikings arrived, bringing a distinctive new influence to the cultural pot. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/race/short_history_of_immigration.stm ill post the link theres too much to write |
The small city state home to the Vatican is all that's left of the Roman Empire. My hat remains in its previous angle.
As for baseball and hotdogs. You still don't get what I was talking about or you are intentionally being obtuse. Either way I'm not going to explain it again.
KHlover said:
Haha, as a german it is really amusing to hear that Rammstein is actually used to measure how hard the german language sounds :D |
Yea, see this is why I'd have to go to Germany, it sounds a lot better in that song. I think because I'm Ukrainian, and understand most serbian languages (especially Polish, which gets a lot of german influences), it wouldn't be too hard to learn German.
LOL, whenever Ithink of Germany, I just picture Arnold Schwarzenegger yelling.
Maybe this is why crime rates are so low in Germany, German cops yelling is scarier then guns LOL.
Nah, I'm sure Germany is awesome, I was talking with my gf and she thinks it's one of the best places in the world too.
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Miguel_Zorro said:
I disagree. It's impossible to have multiculturalism without some degree of melting together taking place. |
It's pre-1970 attitudes like that that encourages intolerance for cultural difference from both sides. As such, you'll notice that the "melting pot" theory has been scrapped in favour of "salad bowl". I encourage you to research the benfits of the latter over the former, and see the many examples where it has been a tremendous success. (Toronto, Melbourne, etc.)
Miguel_Zorro said:
I encourage you to learn about Toronto before citing it as a reason to imply that somebody is intolerant or say they have a pre-1970 attitude. Have you ever been there? Think about the term "melting pot" and what it implies. Your attitude would have people segregated into a bunch of little ethnic enclaves, never interacting with other ethnicities. That's not the way it works, at least in a city like Toronto. |
Once again, do some research before making wild assumptions about multiculturalism. Multiculturalism does NOT require segregation, and on top of that, interaction between cultures does NOT imply an erosion of cultures. That's where your fallacy lies.
Michael-5 said:
Were not stereotyping, if you clearly look at the very very first post, it specifically states some americans. Yes you have a Mexican, a German, and whatever on your street, but chances are the person operating the teller at WalGreens is completly daft. |
Firstly: I think the proper term would be ignorant. Most people wouldn't think a company is American because of arrogance. (assuming you meant to type arrogant.)
Secondly: Stereotyping 300 million people is... ignorant. Or ill-founded prejudice.
Thirdly: Reported. I find you're attitude versus America... distasteful.
OT: I would want to live in the UK. I envy there gun laws/attutide.