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Forums - Sony - Sony Q3 FY2012 - $124m loss, PS3+PS2 6.8m, PSV+PSP 2.7m

Found the report for net income it's bad.... 124 million loss.

Nintendo 450 million profit in comparison.

Shares should tank tomorrow.



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Ugh was read numbers wrong. Stupid Sony not releasing individual numbers for platforms...



enrageorange said:
Farsala said:
Farsala said:
6.8 PS3+PS2
2.7 PSV+ PSP


With that said I guess 6.2 PS3 and .6 PS2 personally. Bringing shipped to around 74.2m (Not even close to 77m). PS2 could be bigger still Vita and PSP probably had similar numbers.

0.6mil seems too low. Didn't it ship 0.6mil last quarter and that wasn't a holiday quarter. I would guess 1mil ps2, 5.8mil ps3. Though  might be wrong on that 0.6mil. 

Well 2.8 combined Q1 and 3.5 combined Q2. Vgchartz users assumed 1m PS2 for Q1, which has mostly been proven right. That shipment was large enough to sustain Q2. If it did .6m last Q and 1m Q1 then that leaves PS3 at 4.7 then going by your figures PS3 is now at 10.5m PS3. PS2 at 2.6m. I think the general numbers is right for the year just the split up is unknown. Personally I think PS2 shipments dropped and PS3 shipments decreased by .3m for this Q.

 

at 13.1m combined they expect 2.9m for next Q.



Vinniegambini said:
Soleron said:
Vinniegambini said:
Gaming division inching above 6 million profit this quarter. Damn that's not good honestly.


Yeah and that's in the holiday quarter.

It's really bad actually. I'm surprised by these numbers and it's one of their strongest pillars.

Hey, if they can still post a profit while paying for PS4 R&D, all the more power to them.  In a quarter or two, there won't be nearly as much cost associated with developing the PS4, so it should look even better for their gaming division.



M.U.G.E.N said:
Vinniegambini said:
riderz13371 said:
Vinniegambini said:
Operating profit of over 490 million this quarter, I don't see the net profit unfortunately judging by the reports. Nonetheless, it seems Nintendo posted better results this quarter than Sony... surprising really.

How much did Nintendo do?

Nintendo did over 750 million in operating profit, net profit was 450 (including exchange gains). In comparison, Sony is 490 in operating profit, net profit remains to be seen as it seems to be not included in their report. Sony's report includes the sale of assets so honestly, these are bad numbers for them. Nonetheless, they are in the positive territory for this quarter, so this is good news for them in a way.

I thought this doesn't include the sale of the NY building?


Expected closing date of the sale: March 2013
· Selling price: 1.1 billionU.S.dollars
· Received net cash proceeds of 770 millionU.S.dollars
· Sony expects to realize a gain of 685 millionU.S.dollars as operating profit

 

Hope this helps.



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M.U.G.E.N said:
Vinniegambini said:
riderz13371 said:
Vinniegambini said:
Operating profit of over 490 million this quarter, I don't see the net profit unfortunately judging by the reports. Nonetheless, it seems Nintendo posted better results this quarter than Sony... surprising really.

How much did Nintendo do?

Nintendo did over 750 million in operating profit, net profit was 450 (including exchange gains). In comparison, Sony is 490 in operating profit, net profit remains to be seen as it seems to be not included in their report. Sony's report includes the sale of assets so honestly, these are bad numbers for them. Nonetheless, they are in the positive territory for this quarter, so this is good news for them in a way.

I thought this doesn't include the sale of the NY building?

Other assets, NYC building sale will be reflected in Q4. Sony will post a profit for their year-end report because of them selling assets, their business model has not changed. It is a loss making one. They need to react fast.



legend92(3) said:
PS3 has now outshipped xbox 360.
PS3 stands at 76 million (if PS2 shipped a million) - 70.5m (if PS2 shipped 500k)
Xbox 360 stands at 75.9


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Sony presents financials on a consolidated basis, meaning it shows revenue and expenses for companies as if they owned 100% , then pull out the net effect of the portions it doesn't really own. Sony the consoidated presentation was profitable, but Sony the actual company lost 10.8 billion Yen during the 3rd quarter. Hence the outlook for the year in its entirety remained the same, despite Yen depreciation.

The increase in sales for Sony came not from having actually sold more of something, but from how they incorporated Sony Mobile's sales differently this year. Whereas last year, Sony Mobile was accounted under Equity Method (pro rata share of sales reported), this year Sony is showing the whole piece. Hence the statement:
"On a pro forma basis, had Sony Mobile been fully consolidated in the same quarter of the previous fiscal year, consolidated sales would have remained essentially flat."

Sony's financial conditions in fact went downhill in this all important Holiday quarter. More Debt, Less Equity as a result of the net loss.



legend92(3) said:
PS3 has now outshipped xbox 360.
PS3 stands at 76 million (if PS2 shipped a million) - 70.5m (if PS2 shipped 500k)
Xbox 360 stands at 75.9

How do you know? All we know it that PS3 shipments reached 70m in mid-November, right? Not all those 6m are for the last 1.5 months.



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legend92(3) said:
PS3 has now outshipped xbox 360.
PS3 stands at 76 million (if PS2 shipped a million) - 70.5m (if PS2 shipped 500k)
Xbox 360 stands at 75.9


You have your math wrong if PS3 shipped 6.2m they are now at 74.2m.