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pokoko said:
happydolphin said:

@Kresnik. Nice :).

@OP. I'm trying to introspect.As a Nintendo gamer, I grew up in the glory days of Nintendo. We grew up watching marketting that was anti-Nintendo. Back then it was SEGA. I felt like a jab at my childhood because to me Nintendo = a good portion of my childhood.

When the Playstation years arrived and Nintendo faltered due to its antiquated 3rd party policies, it was like seeing Micheal Jordan suck at baseball and golf. The guy was a legend, and it felt like almost an insult: an insult to Nintendo that I didn't like because Nintendo meant the world to me. An insult by 3rd parties, by the media which became pro-playstation and anti-Nintendo. The arrogance of some of the media at the time and of some of the people who were fans of the playstation was like a kick in the nuts, you knew just how good Nintendo was, but for some reason a company with at the time almost no compelling first party content was able to topple Nintendo and humiliate it. To add insult to injury, Nintendo actually made it through and survived almost solely on its 1st party offerings.

IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.... The industry had shunned the most excellent publisher/manufacturer in the industry. Though the manufacturer side faltered, the consoles Nintendo put out were quality consoles with their weaknesses for sure, but the total exodus of 3rd party developers during the 64 and cube eras is a huge letdown to any Nintendo gamer.

It's that whole situation that gave and at times continues to give me a lot of resentment, that and the fact that despite the PS3 taking a blow this gen, that that arrogance is still residual in certain fans of the Playstation, the king of the last 2 gens.

Luckily, today, there are some excellent Sony fans to help flip that resentment on its head. But truly, honestly, this resentment is a very hard thing to reverse.

This post is very interesting to me.  It's honest and understandable.  It's also interesting that I started from the same place and went in a very different direction.

I also grew up with Nintendo, the NES and SNES.  Subscribed to Nintendo Power and everything.  However, starting with the PS1, how I felt about Nintendo gradually changed.  People were making new gameplay experiences, they were making games with complex plots and characters, games with darker themes and more imginative worlds, and Nintendo ... wasn't.  Nintendo was doing the same thing it always had.  It felt like Nintendo had this arrogant position where they felt they owned gaming and they didn't HAVE to do anything new or different.  It annoyed me because it felt like Nintendo was letting me go without a struggle.  And that's what happened, FF7 finally pushed me to the PS1 and an entire new world spread out before me, one that I realized I liked better than Mario and platformers.

They're the ones who act superior because, for some incomprehensible reason, they think liking Nintendo games makes you a better human being.  They're the ones who stupidly rail against everything else as being for "violent teenagers".  It's these people, more than anything else, that make me struggle with feelings of negitivity toward the Nintendo fan-base at times.



Can't say I've ever witnessed this.



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Immortal said:
I hate Sony and MS because I dislike what they bring to the industry (higher prices, less reliable hardware, excessive focus on graphics, etc.) and think that a Nintendo monopoly would be better for everyone.

Why 3rd party publishers hate Nintendo if Nintendo monopoly is better?



TheBardsSong said:
pokoko said:
happydolphin said:

@Kresnik. Nice :).

@OP. I'm trying to introspect.As a Nintendo gamer, I grew up in the glory days of Nintendo. We grew up watching marketting that was anti-Nintendo. Back then it was SEGA. I felt like a jab at my childhood because to me Nintendo = a good portion of my childhood.

When the Playstation years arrived and Nintendo faltered due to its antiquated 3rd party policies, it was like seeing Micheal Jordan suck at baseball and golf. The guy was a legend, and it felt like almost an insult: an insult to Nintendo that I didn't like because Nintendo meant the world to me. An insult by 3rd parties, by the media which became pro-playstation and anti-Nintendo. The arrogance of some of the media at the time and of some of the people who were fans of the playstation was like a kick in the nuts, you knew just how good Nintendo was, but for some reason a company with at the time almost no compelling first party content was able to topple Nintendo and humiliate it. To add insult to injury, Nintendo actually made it through and survived almost solely on its 1st party offerings.

IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.... The industry had shunned the most excellent publisher/manufacturer in the industry. Though the manufacturer side faltered, the consoles Nintendo put out were quality consoles with their weaknesses for sure, but the total exodus of 3rd party developers during the 64 and cube eras is a huge letdown to any Nintendo gamer.

It's that whole situation that gave and at times continues to give me a lot of resentment, that and the fact that despite the PS3 taking a blow this gen, that that arrogance is still residual in certain fans of the Playstation, the king of the last 2 gens.

Luckily, today, there are some excellent Sony fans to help flip that resentment on its head. But truly, honestly, this resentment is a very hard thing to reverse.

This post is very interesting to me.  It's honest and understandable.  It's also interesting that I started from the same place and went in a very different direction.

I also grew up with Nintendo, the NES and SNES.  Subscribed to Nintendo Power and everything.  However, starting with the PS1, how I felt about Nintendo gradually changed.  People were making new gameplay experiences, they were making games with complex plots and characters, games with darker themes and more imginative worlds, and Nintendo ... wasn't.  Nintendo was doing the same thing it always had.  It felt like Nintendo had this arrogant position where they felt they owned gaming and they didn't HAVE to do anything new or different.  It annoyed me because it felt like Nintendo was letting me go without a struggle.  And that's what happened, FF7 finally pushed me to the PS1 and an entire new world spread out before me, one that I realized I liked better than Mario and platformers.

They're the ones who act superior because, for some incomprehensible reason, they think liking Nintendo games makes you a better human being.  They're the ones who stupidly rail against everything else as being for "violent teenagers".  It's these people, more than anything else, that make me struggle with feelings of negitivity toward the Nintendo fan-base at times.



Can't say I've ever witnessed this.

You never met me? By being a Nintendo fan I've reached a buddha-like like level of serenity, allowing me to argue even with die-hard fanboys without ever offending anyone :P



Because the A people want the B people to join their side.



 Been away for a bit, but sneaking back in.

Gaming on: PS4, PC, 3DS. Got a Switch! Mainly to play Smash

ps3-sales! said:
KHlover said:
ps3-sales! said:
I don't hate any console maker. I do however dislike certain things that they do. For instance.

-While I'm a long term Sony fan, I dislike how they didn't focus as much online as Microsoft did with live. Ps plus is changing that however.
-Also don't like blatantly copying the Wii with Move. Liek, seriously Sony?

-For Microsoft, I dislike how they focused too much on Kinect. I don't care about Kinect as a core gamer. Also I dislike how they pay boat loads of money for exclusive Dlc. Exclusive games I can understand but I don't like the concept behind exclusive dlc....
-Also don't like how average gamers in the US like 360 more than Ps3. Don't understand why, it just has more US appeal I guess.

-For Nintendo, I really dislike their focus on games. IMO they could have brought Sony and MS to stop making consoles if they had a more powerful Wii from the beginning that could run all the third party games.
-Also Y U NO POKEMON MMO??

Because the economy would fall apart if millions of people stopped working to play it :P


This is true. But how awesomesauce would that be? Here's my idea:

Game is on 3ds for visuals, but does not support 3d play. Still a top down classic Pokemon game, but with improved visuals/sound. Multiple servers that have like thousands of people on each. It encompasses the Kanto, Johto, and Hoen Regions at first with another expansion coming out in the future with the regions from Diamond/Pearl, Black/white and X/y.

You can choose boy or girl, starters blah blah blah. You can also choose what role you are. For instance: you can be a hero (the guy you always play as in Pokemon), you can be a member of Team Rocket or other evil organizations, You can be a gym leader, you can be a regular trainer, a Pokemon breeder, ect. Different roles have different paths but you can also just make a new character. The different roles make up the community and make it interesting. You have a friends list of trainers. You can call them anytime and chat via the packed in 3ds headset and battle them. 

I actually should start a thread with all the ideas I have for this.....

Do it. I'd love to see the thread^^



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Deyon said:
Immortal said:
I hate Sony and MS because I dislike what they bring to the industry (higher prices, less reliable hardware, excessive focus on graphics, etc.) and think that a Nintendo monopoly would be better for everyone.

Why 3rd party publishers hate Nintendo if Nintendo monopoly is better?


Because they're morons and have no idea what they're doing.



 

“These are my principles; if you don’t like them, I have others.” – Groucho Marx

Immortal said:
Deyon said:
Immortal said:
I hate Sony and MS because I dislike what they bring to the industry (higher prices, less reliable hardware, excessive focus on graphics, etc.) and think that a Nintendo monopoly would be better for everyone.

Why 3rd party publishers hate Nintendo if Nintendo monopoly is better?

Because they're morons and have no idea what they're doing.

Nintendo bullied and forced their rules on 3rd party publishers back when it was the top dog in the industry.

Publishers still hold a grudge agianst Nintendo for what they did.



Immortal said:
I hate Sony and MS because I dislike what they bring to the industry (higher prices, less reliable hardware, excessive focus on graphics, etc.) and think that a Nintendo monopoly would be better for everyone.


monopoles are always bad for the consumer.

Standard Oil has proven this,microsoft also and nintendo treated 3rd parties like shit with their(almost) nes/snes monopole-forcing 3rd parties to produce the cartridges  by nintendo selling their games to higher prices than nintendo.

that's why square turned away from nintendo,that's why codemasters sued nintendo.

that's why nintendo games are a lot cheaper now than they were in the 80ies and 90ies though developing costs exploded,beceause there is no more nintendo monopol

Without monopol i can choose  between  candy style ugly graphics/ great gameplay,bad hardware,no dvd,bad internet(nintendo) or great graphics /great gameplay(not nintendo)+blu ray +great internet infrastructure,and 3rd parties can sell their games and earn money on other systems as nintendo fans are incredibly ignorant and only buy nintendo stuff(great rayman 3ds sold 10k,mario 3ds =5mio )

 

btw-i hope Wii U will survive.If Nintendo moves to other plattforms they may wipe away most 3rd publishers and the only games left on ps360 will be:shooters,candy style games and ea sports games.



SxyxS said:
Immortal said:
I hate Sony and MS because I dislike what they bring to the industry (higher prices, less reliable hardware, excessive focus on graphics, etc.) and think that a Nintendo monopoly would be better for everyone.


monopoles are always bad for the consumer.

Standard Oil has proven this,microsoft also and nintendo treated 3rd parties like shit with their(almost) nes/snes monopole-forcing 3rd parties to produce the cartridges  by nintendo selling their games to higher prices than nintendo.

that's why square turned away from nintendo,that's why codemasters sued nintendo.

that's why nintendo games are a lot cheaper now than they were in the 80ies and 90ies though developing costs exploded,beceause there is no more nintendo monopol

Without monopol i can choose  between  candy style ugly graphics/ great gameplay,bad hardware,no dvd,bad internet(nintendo) or great graphics /great gameplay(not nintendo)+blu ray +great internet infrastructure,and 3rd parties can sell their games and earn money on other systems as nintendo fans are incredibly ignorant and only buy nintendo stuff(great rayman 3ds sold 10k,mario 3ds =5mio )

 

btw-i hope Wii U will survive.If Nintendo moves to other plattforms they may wipe away most 3rd publishers and the only games left on ps360 will be:shooters,candy style games and ea sports games.

Agreed if Nintendo had a monopoly the prices would be outrageous. 



Currently own:

 

  • Ps4

 

Currently playing: Witcher 3, Walking Dead S1/2, GTA5, Dying Light, Tomb Raider Remaster, MGS Ground Zeros

Believe it or not I grew up loving both SEGA and Nintendo a LOT. It's actually funny seeing SEGA fans that absolutely hate Nintendo to this day, or Nintendo fans who still haven't touched a SEGA console.


NES, SNES, Genesis, Saturn, and N64... <3


I own and love all of the Sony systems, especially the PS1. The Xbox is possibly one of the only consoles to never appeal much to me, but the 360 really won me over and is probably my most played console this gen.


Feel the love. Can't really say anything bad about any of the consoles, but companies would be another story.