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the2real4mafol said:
Racism is just ignorance and hatred, it's just wrong when people exploit this ignorance and hatred in a hope to "ethnically cleanse" a race, something nationalists believe is right. We have no right to hate on something we don't understand and discriminate against them for that reason. Just get to know other cultures and ways of doing things and even if you don't agree, just tolerate it. Regardless of who we are, we can achieve great things together.


There is a great difference between nationalists and national socialists. Far from all nationalists think that ethnically cleansing a race is right.

 

(Assuming you didn't already know that and simply forgot to type a word.)



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Everything about racism is subjective, vs how people should base their ideas and opinions which is objective fact. Some love to try and fake science to feed their already present subjective bias, but its still subjective and therefore not anything based on real evidence.

Anyone at all who subscribes to the idea that it is self evident that all men (sic) are created (sic) equal cannot then subscribe to racism and not be a hypocrite.

That's it. You are either living in reality, thus not a racist, or you've immersed yourself in your own fantasy world and thus your opinions are pretty much worthless.



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dharh said:
Everything about racism is subjective, vs how people should base their ideas and opinions which is objective fact. Some love to try and fake science to feed their already present subjective bias, but its still subjective and therefore not anything based on real evidence.

Anyone at all who subscribes to the idea that it is self evident that all men (sic) are created (sic) equal cannot then subscribe to racism and not be a hypocrite.

That's it. You are either living in reality, thus not a racist, or you've immersed yourself in your own fantasy world and thus your opinions are pretty much worthless.

"All men are created equal" is part of "All men are created equaled and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights".  It is a reference to God, and has God giving them certain rights they can't give away or be alienated from.  This is a presumtive faith statement.  If you look at reality, you end up seeing people are NOT equai in how they are born, and don't do the same thing at all.  Now one could then reason that there is insufficient attributes of superiority to cluster around a given race and say it is superior, and be right.  But to say what you said is not grounded in reality but also personal biases.  Of course, another thing here is that, even if people aren't born/created equal, that is no indication why they shouldn't have equal right at all.

I can argue here that it is really difficult for a non-theist to argue the all men are created equal comment, because they don't believe there is a creator.

Anyhow, I can end up referencing the golden rule as a way out of this, that ends up speaking to things.  One can argue about doing unto others as they would have others do unto themselves.  In light of this, who here wants to be treated badly or inferior to anyone.  If not, then don't do it to others.  The golden rule is an ethical version of the "I think, therefore I am" quote on cognition.



Racism is wrong because we'll all part of the same race. If people didn't speak, we'd all be equal. It's when they speak and their different dialects come out that we start to stereotype people.



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Racism is wrong because we'll all part of the same race. If people didn't speak, we'd all be equal. It's when they speak and their different dialects come out that we start to stereotype people.

Racism is also largely based on appearance.



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Maybe affirmative action is an acknowledgement of the the failings of the public education system for "minorities".

But we can't have private education, because people might not receive an "equal" education!!! Herp, derp.



SamuelRSmith said:
Maybe affirmative action is an acknowledgement of the the failings of the public education system for "minorities".

But we can't have private education, because people might not receive an "equal" education!!! Herp, derp.

No one is denying there be private schooling.  Well, nobody legitimately in America's political systems is, although maybe you can hunt down some wacked out counter example.  Those who advocate public education believe that it should be funded sufficiently so that the citizens in a country get sufficiently educated to be able to function in society.  The idea here isn't to end up just rewarding the best of the best, to make sure they get to become elite, but try to lift the boats up for everyone.  Yes, one can say it is a socialistic bent, and I am pretty sure anything in that area deeply offends you, but there is generally normally seen in society of trying to do the minimum at least for the bottom, so that the bottom has even a sliver of a chance of making something out of their lives.

And the argument ends up being whether or not there should be public school at all, not whether or not private schools should be abolished.  But, feel free to herp, derp with your strawman there.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
the2real4mafol said:
Racism is just ignorance and hatred, it's just wrong when people exploit this ignorance and hatred in a hope to "ethnically cleanse" a race, something nationalists believe is right. We have no right to hate on something we don't understand and discriminate against them for that reason. Just get to know other cultures and ways of doing things and even if you don't agree, just tolerate it. Regardless of who we are, we can achieve great things together.


There is a great difference between nationalists and national socialists. Far from all nationalists think that ethnically cleansing a race is right.

 

(Assuming you didn't already know that and simply forgot to type a word.)

It don't matter whether they are nationalist/ fascist or nationalist socialist, they all believe their own race is superior and that they should dominate, often by putting terror into other races or even just systematically killing them. It's all just wrong and simply put no race is superior at all, we're all human, nothing more. Also, only the nazis were ever nationalist socialist (nazi is short for it). What about the other nationalist/ fascist movements at this time, which tried to copy the nazis, like Benito Mussolini (Italy) and Ante Pavelic (Croatia) and even Franco (Spain), who were not nationalist socilaist. Maybe not all nationalists think they should wipe out races like the Nazis tried to, but i can't think of any Nationalist regimes that didn't attempt to. And even if they don't, they still abuse and victimise groups of people because of their beliefs or even just skin colour (like the KKK). It something that shouldn't happen for a modern society to function. My problem is that nationalism can quickly turn from pride (Pride is fine) to racism.   



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richardhutnik said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Maybe affirmative action is an acknowledgement of the the failings of the public education system for "minorities".

But we must have state education, because people might not receive an "equal" education!!! Herp, derp.

No one is denying there be private schooling.  Well, nobody legitimately in America's political systems is, although maybe you can hunt down some wacked out counter example.  Those who advocate public education believe that it should be funded sufficiently so that the citizens in a country get sufficiently educated to be able to function in society.  The idea here isn't to end up just rewarding the best of the best, to make sure they get to become elite, but try to lift the boats up for everyone.  Yes, one can say it is a socialistic bent, and I am pretty sure anything in that area deeply offends you, but there is generally normally seen in society of trying to do the minimum at least for the bottom, so that the bottom has even a sliver of a chance of making something out of their lives.

And the argument ends up being whether or not there should be public school at all, not whether or not private schools should be abolished.  But, feel free to herp, derp with your strawman there.


Fine, I changed two words in the statement. Most of your tirade is now void.

You're right that thanks to state education, those at the bottom only have a slither of a chance of making something out of their lives. Personally, I want more than that for those at the bottom, and the state has proved itself to be incapable of doing it. Let someone  else have a chance.



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