Might as well start bashing Jersey Shore because watching 5 minutes of that show makes me want to kill the person who created it. 

Are you the same person that told me to move to Japan? 

I told you in that thread that I didn't really hate my country.

Everyone has used the word "hate" in their lives. No one (except if you're truly very serious) means it as harshly as the definition implies.

You know, if we as gamers say that, of those perpetrators that did play them, violent video games didn't affect these shootings in any way then we are in just as much denial as the NRA president that blamed violent video games.

VP Biden seemed to take a very mature view of this, and I personally think it would be constructive if we did the same thing. Think about it, gamers can be more mature and realistic about this problem than the NRA extremists. That would shock everyone and give a make a very strong statement to all that we are willing and able to look for solutions no matter where they be.

give me an example of a solution

lol I actually like Jersey Shore

They might need to start bashing shows like The Walking Dead though

And you just lost.  You don't win an agument by demoninzing the other side by suggesting they don't value children's lives.  That just shows you have no argument and you know it.  And the no stone unturned part just shows me you would support censorship if the government told you that that was 100% necessary.

As for your response to me, everything you suggested, the private market has already put measures into place.  They created the ESRB to rate games.  The ratings are clearly visible on the cases, and in black and white so they don't blend into the cover.  Every store I have been to that sells games has large signs near the games that show all the different ratings, as well as what they mean.  And most stores, like Walmart and Gamestop, won't sell minors M games unless the parent is there to give their say so.  So, we have some parents that feel their children are capable of handling those games and some parents who just don't care.  I highly doubt we need the government to step in and waste more time and money, when in the end, it will change nothing.  Which, again, only leaves forced censorship.  We don't need to go down that ugly route.

Different between me and you guys are that I believe there might be a small chance that these games effected these kids, you guys are just dimissing it. I'm open there might be a possibilities until reseaches and studies comes out to dismiss it. I'm not a politician, PHD or a Scientist to make that call. But I'm a father and to me being a father is more important then puting a label on the Video Games industry.

Going to dinner now. I'll be back to check on the thread.

That's a horrible, horrible attempt at logic.  Common factors do not equal causality.  What if it turns out that all the killers went to Sunday School, would that be a cause?  What if they all liked Pepsi?  What if they were all minors who had easy access to fire-arms?

Wait, I've got one: what if they were all mentally unstable people who were allowed to experience violent media as well as having easy access to fire-arms?  Ding ding.

If people look at that description and their first response is "the games did it" then something is very, very wrong.  I would think the "mentally unstable with easy access to fire-arms" part would be the more important factor.

And here is another question: What if the common factor is that mentally unstable people with violent tendencies are DRAWN to violent videogames rather than being CREATED by violent videogames?  And how should we explain the limitless number of violent, mentally unstable people who have commited murder WITHOUT access to violent videogames?  How should we view the fact that, since the rise of violent videogames, mass shootings and violent crime in general have gone down?  Yep, that's right, mass shootings in the United States are down.  But how can that possibly be the case with all these kids running around CoDing up the place?  Crazy stuff.  http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/18/nation/la-na-nn-mass-shootings-common-20121218

If violent games are way up and violent crimes, including mass shootings, are down, then what is the logic behind the idea that violent games cause violent crime?

I believe there might be a small chance that these games effected these kids, you guys are just dimissing it

a small chance? that they effected these kids? what kids? you mean the people who do these shootings? how old was the guy who did the sandy jook shooting? and how old was the guy who did the theatre shooting near columbine?

I'm open there might be a possibilities until reseaches and studies comes out to dismiss it

research for what? there is no reasearch that needs to be done on the gaming side. there is NOTHING that needs to be changed on the gaming side.

so how are they going to do these researches, bonkers? are they going to give a gun to people after being exposed to grand ttheft auto to see what they do with it compared to them watching a violent shooting movie to see the differences?

dude there is only 1 thing that can be changed about this industry in their eyes and that is "BANNING" ANY GAME THAT IS VIOLENT IN THEIR EYES! that is the ONLY SOLUTION!