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Areym said:

What I really don't understand is how you can believe in the stories/anecdotes in the bible. You can't prove them, everybody and their mother knows the bible has been modified to fit a specific agenda from many different rulers/priest/etc, and then you get the luxury to pick and choose what you want to follow. You can say Fuck gays, they're a bunch of immoral monsters, but eating shrimps and other crustaceans is cool. The bible (from what I have read/seen/searched) literally tell you to hate them, both gays and crustaceans. It also tells you stone disobedient children TO DEATH but we certainly don't do that. I believe (please correct me if wrong) this is all the old testament so we don't give 2 shit and a rat's ass about but except for the gays.

To add insult to injury, I've seen many people say that the bible is open to interpretation and that people have different ways of interpreting God's words. BULLSHIT. Not only do you not acknowledge the bible's obvious flaws as it pertains to our modern society, but now it's open for you to pick and choose. Come on. How can, and here is the kicker, "the word of GAAAWWWDDD" be open to interpretation?

If I offend anybody, i really don't care quite honestly. I don't affiliate with any religion, not even atheism but my parents had christian catholic upbringings and they believe in a higher power but they did not force us to go to church which i cannot thank them enough not brainwashing me at a young age. Because of that, I get to explore different religions with an open mind and I decided they're all pretty meh.  I wish I had the drive to read through the entire thing because i do feel very hypocritical for bashing it while not having read it. If anything, the bible and religion had a purpose in our world at one point. It helped us give reason to things we could not understand. It gave us peace of mind knowing that some things just happen cause God said so. That isn't the case anymore. We are a still evolving species that is becoming more technologically advanced as the centuries pass and we figure out more and more things as we progress, while all the previous events we attributed to god will become smaller and smaller because they will facts to back up the scientific reason for those events happening.

Ok, done ranting. All in all, you can believe what you want to believe. I think it's silly and childish that this day in age we look up to a book writing by MEN. Flawed men like you and I and all of us here in VGC but that's my biased opinion. I will never understand religious believe. I just can't wrap my head around just hoping that shit will happen. Timmy is fighting cancer? Oh god will save him. Bullshit.

EDIT: I just proof read this wall to be little less aggressive and spelling. Also, some people bring up a good point about religions and their members involving politics to get their own ideas and laws across.

You're speaking out of a very limited uderstanding of the Bible, as well as a biased view from observing a small but vocal bunch of so-called Christians who live nothing like Jesus did. I would suggest you at the very least read the book of Matthew to learn about the life of Jesus. He railed against the judgemental religious leaders of his time so much it got him killed.



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ps3-sales! said:
Areym said:

What I really don't understand is how you can believe in the stories/anecdotes in the bible. You can't prove them, everybody and their mother knows the bible has been modified to fit a specific agenda from many different rulers/priest/etc, and then you get the luxury to pick and choose what you want to follow. You can say Fuck gays, they're a bunch of immoral monsters, but eating shrimps and other crustaceans is cool. The bible (from what I have read/seen/searched) literally tell you to hate them, both gays and crustaceans. It also tells you stone disobedient children TO DEATH but we certainly don't do that. I believe (please correct me if wrong) this is all the old testament so we don't give 2 shit and a rat's ass about but except for the gays.

To add insult to injury, I've seen many people say that the bible is open to interpretation and that people have different ways of interpreting God's words. BULLSHIT. Not only do you not acknowledge the bible's obvious flaws as it pertains to our modern society, but now it's open for you to pick and choose. Come on. How can, and here is the kicker, "the word of GAAAWWWDDD" be open to interpretation?

If I offend anybody, i really don't care quite honestly. I don't affiliate with any religion, not even atheism but my parents had christian catholic upbringings and they believe in a higher power but they did not force us to go to church which i cannot thank them enough not brainwashing me at a young age. Because of that, I get to explore different religions with an open mind and I decided they're all pretty meh.  I wish I had the drive to read through the entire thing because i do feel very hypocritical for bashing it while not having read it. If anything, the bible and religion had a purpose in our world at one point. It helped us give reason to things we could not understand. It gave us peace of mind knowing that some things just happen cause God said so. That isn't the case anymore. We are a still evolving species that is becoming more technologically advanced as the centuries pass and we figure out more and more things as we progress, while all the previous events we attributed to god will become smaller and smaller because they will facts to back up the scientific reason for those events happening.

Ok, done ranting. All in all, you can believe what you want to believe. I think it's silly and childish that this day in age we look up to a book writen by MEN. Flawed men like you and I and all of us here in VGC but that's my biased opinion. I will never understand religious believe. I just can't wrap my head around just hoping that shit will happen. Timmy is fighting cancer? Oh god will save him. Bullshit.

EDIT: I just proof read this wall to be little less aggressive and spelling. Also, some people bring up a good point about religions and their members involving politics to get their own ideas and laws across.

Your post just sounds angry. Why do you harbor so much hatred? If there is one thing that I am most thankful for my religion, it's a peace of mind. I'm not telling you what to believe, but maybe you should take some yoga classes and clam yourself down :)

It's alright to look for answers, it's what we are here for. But don't do so with anger and bitterness. It only makes it more difficult for yourself.

"Bitterness is like drinking poison and hoping your enemy will die." -Unknown



dsgrue3 said:
Jay520 said:

I'm sorry, but I'm having a difficult time finding where he said being gay was a choice. Maybe you could bold it for me? Perhaps you should turn your rage meter down a notch and you will stop seeing things you want to see.

Not directly, but he certainly insinuated it was. He says he does not think you are born gay, which means genetics plays no role despite scientists believing that epigenetics plays a vital role at the very least, and entire control at best.

Source: Here

"Italian researchers have made a new discovery that solidifies the understand that homosexuality — at least in men — has a strong genetic component. Though this study does not identify a specific gay gene, which probably does not exist, it does demonstrate what role genetics play."

Source: Here

ps3-sales! said:

My thoughts on gays as a Christian: I don't think you are born gay, but you might pick up very early in life who you are physically attracted to. Who are we to say you can just stop being attracted to the same sex? It doesn't work that way. Let them be and treat them with kindess, as they are normal people like everyone else. All this gay hate from Christians is not doing them any good. It just makes the gays stronger and work together more in order to get the rights they want. 

Bolded since apparently you can't read if it isn't in bold as per your own admission.

'Pick up' doesn't mean 'choose', he is just saying it is more nurture than nature, which is still an ongoing debate. I think there are instances of both, some people are born with certain hormonal characteristics, some have things that happen in their developmental years. You also missed the part where he said they can't stop being attracted to the same sex, which clearly is the opposite of it being a choice. He also said to treat them with kindness since they're just like everybody else. You really do jump to conclusions pretty quickly.



ps3-sales! said:
Areym said:

What I really don't understand is how you can believe in the stories/anecdotes in the bible. You can't prove them, everybody and their mother knows the bible has been modified to fit a specific agenda from many different rulers/priest/etc, and then you get the luxury to pick and choose what you want to follow. You can say Fuck gays, they're a bunch of immoral monsters, but eating shrimps and other crustaceans is cool. The bible (from what I have read/seen/searched) literally tell you to hate them, both gays and crustaceans. It also tells you stone disobedient children TO DEATH but we certainly don't do that. I believe (please correct me if wrong) this is all the old testament so we don't give 2 shit and a rat's ass about but except for the gays.

To add insult to injury, I've seen many people say that the bible is open to interpretation and that people have different ways of interpreting God's words. BULLSHIT. Not only do you not acknowledge the bible's obvious flaws as it pertains to our modern society, but now it's open for you to pick and choose. Come on. How can, and here is the kicker, "the word of GAAAWWWDDD" be open to interpretation?

If I offend anybody, i really don't care quite honestly. I don't affiliate with any religion, not even atheism but my parents had christian catholic upbringings and they believe in a higher power but they did not force us to go to church which i cannot thank them enough not brainwashing me at a young age. Because of that, I get to explore different religions with an open mind and I decided they're all pretty meh.  I wish I had the drive to read through the entire thing because i do feel very hypocritical for bashing it while not having read it. If anything, the bible and religion had a purpose in our world at one point. It helped us give reason to things we could not understand. It gave us peace of mind knowing that some things just happen cause God said so. That isn't the case anymore. We are a still evolving species that is becoming more technologically advanced as the centuries pass and we figure out more and more things as we progress, while all the previous events we attributed to god will become smaller and smaller because they will facts to back up the scientific reason for those events happening.

Ok, done ranting. All in all, you can believe what you want to believe. I think it's silly and childish that this day in age we look up to a book writen by MEN. Flawed men like you and I and all of us here in VGC but that's my biased opinion. I will never understand religious believe. I just can't wrap my head around just hoping that shit will happen. Timmy is fighting cancer? Oh god will save him. Bullshit.

EDIT: I just proof read this wall to be little less aggressive and spelling. Also, some people bring up a good point about religions and their members involving politics to get their own ideas and laws across.

Your post just sounds angry. Why do you harbor so much hatred? If there is one thing that I am most thankful for my religion, it's a peace of mind. I'm not telling you what to believe, but maybe you should take some yoga classes and clam yourself down :)

It's alright to look for answers, it's what we are here for. But don't do so with anger and bitterness. It only makes it more difficult for yourself.

The post is angry, I agree, but only because of my lack of understanding and knowledge on the subject matter. As I mention, I cannot understand it. Hell, you didn't even say why you believe in what you believe. This is gonna sound like a cop-out, but if you geniuenly met, I am the coolest of cucumbers. I don't yell in anger, I don't throw things, i rarely raise my voice and I'm more than likely in a clam state. I'm very capable of going off, but I find peace in being religiously free. I'm not constraint to believes, church, image within the community and my circle of people. Again, that's my cop out.

In all honesty, religious people infuriate me the most or really just the bigoted ones, you sound more down to earth. Besides, just as we try to convince you out of your religion, you try to make us join. Do you know how many times I have to ignore the door when people come to talk to me about the word of GAAAAAWWWWDD and then they have the gonads to tell me that I need to believe in Jesus because he is my lord and saviour and that's just the way shit is. Period. Otherwise, I just got myself a one way ticket to hell. I'm strong willed enough to believe in me. I have faith in me, not god but me. I know what I am capable and of what I can accomplish.  My parents will sometimes remind me to thank god for all the luxuries we have and I always answer that i thank them and not God because it is their hard work and their determination that got my family where it is now, a cozy, middle-class status in the United States. I have no prove God has done anything at all to help. In fact, who is to say that every calamity that has happen to me (not a lot, to be honest) aren't his doing?



"Trick shot? The trick is NOT to get shot." - Lucian

timmah said:
'Pick up' doesn't mean 'choose', he is just saying it is more nurture than nature, which is still an ongoing debate. I think there are instances of both, some people are born with certain hormonal characteristics, some have things that happen in their developmental years. You also missed the part where he said they can't stop being attracted to the same sex, which clearly is the opposite of it being a choice. He also said to treat them with kindness since they're just like everybody else. You really do jump to conclusions pretty quickly.

 

No, he's saying it is 100% nurture if anything which is unequivocally false. Shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the research and the debate. I'll concede he did not say choice, but a misunderstanding nonetheless. 



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Areym said:
ps3-sales! said:
Areym said:

What I really don't understand is how you can believe in the stories/anecdotes in the bible. You can't prove them, everybody and their mother knows the bible has been modified to fit a specific agenda from many different rulers/priest/etc, and then you get the luxury to pick and choose what you want to follow. You can say Fuck gays, they're a bunch of immoral monsters, but eating shrimps and other crustaceans is cool. The bible (from what I have read/seen/searched) literally tell you to hate them, both gays and crustaceans. It also tells you stone disobedient children TO DEATH but we certainly don't do that. I believe (please correct me if wrong) this is all the old testament so we don't give 2 shit and a rat's ass about but except for the gays.

To add insult to injury, I've seen many people say that the bible is open to interpretation and that people have different ways of interpreting God's words. BULLSHIT. Not only do you not acknowledge the bible's obvious flaws as it pertains to our modern society, but now it's open for you to pick and choose. Come on. How can, and here is the kicker, "the word of GAAAWWWDDD" be open to interpretation?

If I offend anybody, i really don't care quite honestly. I don't affiliate with any religion, not even atheism but my parents had christian catholic upbringings and they believe in a higher power but they did not force us to go to church which i cannot thank them enough not brainwashing me at a young age. Because of that, I get to explore different religions with an open mind and I decided they're all pretty meh.  I wish I had the drive to read through the entire thing because i do feel very hypocritical for bashing it while not having read it. If anything, the bible and religion had a purpose in our world at one point. It helped us give reason to things we could not understand. It gave us peace of mind knowing that some things just happen cause God said so. That isn't the case anymore. We are a still evolving species that is becoming more technologically advanced as the centuries pass and we figure out more and more things as we progress, while all the previous events we attributed to god will become smaller and smaller because they will facts to back up the scientific reason for those events happening.

Ok, done ranting. All in all, you can believe what you want to believe. I think it's silly and childish that this day in age we look up to a book writen by MEN. Flawed men like you and I and all of us here in VGC but that's my biased opinion. I will never understand religious believe. I just can't wrap my head around just hoping that shit will happen. Timmy is fighting cancer? Oh god will save him. Bullshit.

EDIT: I just proof read this wall to be little less aggressive and spelling. Also, some people bring up a good point about religions and their members involving politics to get their own ideas and laws across.

Your post just sounds angry. Why do you harbor so much hatred? If there is one thing that I am most thankful for my religion, it's a peace of mind. I'm not telling you what to believe, but maybe you should take some yoga classes and clam yourself down :)

It's alright to look for answers, it's what we are here for. But don't do so with anger and bitterness. It only makes it more difficult for yourself.

The post is angry, I agree, but only because of my lack of understanding and knowledge on the subject matter. As I mention, I cannot understand it. Hell, you didn't even say why you believe in what you believe. This is gonna sound like a cop-out, but if you geniuenly met, I am the coolest of cucumbers. I don't yell in anger, I don't throw things, i rarely raise my voice and I'm more than likely in a clam state. I'm very capable of going off, but I find peace in being religiously free. I'm not constraint to believes, church, image within the community and my circle of people. Again, that's my cop out.

In all honesty, religious people infuriate me the most or really just the bigoted ones, you sound more down to earth. Besides, just as we try to convince you out of your religion, you try to make us join. Do you know how many times I have to ignore the door when people come to talk to me about the word of GAAAAAWWWWDD and then they have the gonads to tell me that I need to believe in Jesus because he is my lord and saviour and that's just the way shit is. Period. Otherwise, I just got myself a one way ticket to hell. I'm strong willed enough to believe in me. I have faith in me, not god but me. I know what I am capable and of what I can accomplish.  My parents will sometimes remind me to thank god for all the luxuries we have and I always answer that i thank them and not God because it is their hard work and their determination that got my family where it is now, a cozy, middle-class status in the United States. I have no prove God has done anything at all to help. In fact, who is to say that every calamity that has happen to me (not a lot, to be honest) aren't his doing?

The Christians who actually live Jesus' words are generally not the ones banging on your door to call you a sinner and inform you of your 'damnation to hell'. They're the more subdued ones who's actions are loving others and helping people in need, as well as living the best, most fulfilling life they can. This leads to the false impression that the vocal minority is the majority.



timmah said:
Areym said:

What I really don't understand is how you can believe in the stories/anecdotes in the bible. You can't prove them, everybody and their mother knows the bible has been modified to fit a specific agenda from many different rulers/priest/etc, and then you get the luxury to pick and choose what you want to follow. You can say Fuck gays, they're a bunch of immoral monsters, but eating shrimps and other crustaceans is cool. The bible (from what I have read/seen/searched) literally tell you to hate them, both gays and crustaceans. It also tells you stone disobedient children TO DEATH but we certainly don't do that. I believe (please correct me if wrong) this is all the old testament so we don't give 2 shit and a rat's ass about but except for the gays.

To add insult to injury, I've seen many people say that the bible is open to interpretation and that people have different ways of interpreting God's words. BULLSHIT. Not only do you not acknowledge the bible's obvious flaws as it pertains to our modern society, but now it's open for you to pick and choose. Come on. How can, and here is the kicker, "the word of GAAAWWWDDD" be open to interpretation?

If I offend anybody, i really don't care quite honestly. I don't affiliate with any religion, not even atheism but my parents had christian catholic upbringings and they believe in a higher power but they did not force us to go to church which i cannot thank them enough not brainwashing me at a young age. Because of that, I get to explore different religions with an open mind and I decided they're all pretty meh.  I wish I had the drive to read through the entire thing because i do feel very hypocritical for bashing it while not having read it. If anything, the bible and religion had a purpose in our world at one point. It helped us give reason to things we could not understand. It gave us peace of mind knowing that some things just happen cause God said so. That isn't the case anymore. We are a still evolving species that is becoming more technologically advanced as the centuries pass and we figure out more and more things as we progress, while all the previous events we attributed to god will become smaller and smaller because they will facts to back up the scientific reason for those events happening.

Ok, done ranting. All in all, you can believe what you want to believe. I think it's silly and childish that this day in age we look up to a book writing by MEN. Flawed men like you and I and all of us here in VGC but that's my biased opinion. I will never understand religious believe. I just can't wrap my head around just hoping that shit will happen. Timmy is fighting cancer? Oh god will save him. Bullshit.

EDIT: I just proof read this wall to be little less aggressive and spelling. Also, some people bring up a good point about religions and their members involving politics to get their own ideas and laws across.

You're speaking out of a very limited uderstanding of the Bible, as well as a biased view from observing a small but vocal bunch of so-called Christians who live nothing like Jesus did. I would suggest you at the very least read the book of Matthew to learn about the life of Jesus. He railed against the judgemental religious leaders of his time so much it got him killed.

I agree. I admit my knowledge is very limited but I am transmitting what information is readily available to me and from experiences. It is impossible for me to address every single christian person because, like i mentioned, christianity is so open to interpretation and different practices and different believes and different branches that all center around bible, at least a little bit so I have no choice but to generalize and use cop-out terms like "not all" or "only some" or "a small portion." Otherwise, I would sit here and right a page's worth of posts. Any post is biased. I don't believe anybody is ever truly neutral or objective but i feel like because my parents did not enforce religious practices, when i hit my moment of religious curiosity, I learned to despise. It's a nasty word but it is the truth.

A quick example, I lived in a small country called Belize. Very thrid world but my father had an important job as a marine biologist in an up-and-coming fish farm (whatever the term is) and we lived well, compared to the general population. My dad felt the public schools were way too raggy so i got switched to a private, christian school which was a huge step-up and we didn't think it would be so strict. For the next, 5 months (moved to the U.S shortly after transferring schools) I had bible verses and believes and fictious stories shoved down my throat. If I failed my religion class (forgot the correct name) i would fail the year, plain and simple. I wasn't miserable but it was the one of the most annoying and uncomfortable periods of my life. Even the public school forced ( i was threatened about lower grades, being held back) me to go to church at least twice a month. My dad had to literally talk to the principal about excusing me out of it cause my dad did not believe in forcing people into religious activites. Needless to say, it was a sour time and it most likely lead to my current "hatred" of christianity. The experienced blinded me  and made my biased, I will admit it. I hope to later read the bible and maybe the book of mathews as you suggested and be able to better interpret my ideas.



"Trick shot? The trick is NOT to get shot." - Lucian

dsgrue3 said:
timmah said:
'Pick up' doesn't mean 'choose', he is just saying it is more nurture than nature, which is still an ongoing debate. I think there are instances of both, some people are born with certain hormonal characteristics, some have things that happen in their developmental years. You also missed the part where he said they can't stop being attracted to the same sex, which clearly is the opposite of it being a choice. He also said to treat them with kindness since they're just like everybody else. You really do jump to conclusions pretty quickly.

 

No, he's saying it is 100% nurture if anything which is unequivocally false. Shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the research and the debate. I'll concede he did not say choice, but a misunderstanding nonetheless. 

Even so, it still leads to the same conclusion, gays should not be discriminated against. There's still not 100% proof for either side, no specific gene or genetic trait has been identified to support your claim 100% either. I know both a straight man who turned gay because his wife was an evil person who divorced him and took all his money (he's a very masculine guy who still votes republican), as well as a very effeminate man who seemed stereotypically gay in every way, but has a wife of 15+ years that he is obviously very attracted to and 3 kids with her. There are far to many factors to call it one way or the other, especially when looking at individual cases.

Just because the evidence suggests something today doesn't mean later research will not change the consensus down the road.



Areym said:
timmah said:
Areym said:

What I really don't understand is how you can believe in the stories/anecdotes in the bible. You can't prove them, everybody and their mother knows the bible has been modified to fit a specific agenda from many different rulers/priest/etc, and then you get the luxury to pick and choose what you want to follow. You can say Fuck gays, they're a bunch of immoral monsters, but eating shrimps and other crustaceans is cool. The bible (from what I have read/seen/searched) literally tell you to hate them, both gays and crustaceans. It also tells you stone disobedient children TO DEATH but we certainly don't do that. I believe (please correct me if wrong) this is all the old testament so we don't give 2 shit and a rat's ass about but except for the gays.

To add insult to injury, I've seen many people say that the bible is open to interpretation and that people have different ways of interpreting God's words. BULLSHIT. Not only do you not acknowledge the bible's obvious flaws as it pertains to our modern society, but now it's open for you to pick and choose. Come on. How can, and here is the kicker, "the word of GAAAWWWDDD" be open to interpretation?

If I offend anybody, i really don't care quite honestly. I don't affiliate with any religion, not even atheism but my parents had christian catholic upbringings and they believe in a higher power but they did not force us to go to church which i cannot thank them enough not brainwashing me at a young age. Because of that, I get to explore different religions with an open mind and I decided they're all pretty meh.  I wish I had the drive to read through the entire thing because i do feel very hypocritical for bashing it while not having read it. If anything, the bible and religion had a purpose in our world at one point. It helped us give reason to things we could not understand. It gave us peace of mind knowing that some things just happen cause God said so. That isn't the case anymore. We are a still evolving species that is becoming more technologically advanced as the centuries pass and we figure out more and more things as we progress, while all the previous events we attributed to god will become smaller and smaller because they will facts to back up the scientific reason for those events happening.

Ok, done ranting. All in all, you can believe what you want to believe. I think it's silly and childish that this day in age we look up to a book writing by MEN. Flawed men like you and I and all of us here in VGC but that's my biased opinion. I will never understand religious believe. I just can't wrap my head around just hoping that shit will happen. Timmy is fighting cancer? Oh god will save him. Bullshit.

EDIT: I just proof read this wall to be little less aggressive and spelling. Also, some people bring up a good point about religions and their members involving politics to get their own ideas and laws across.

You're speaking out of a very limited uderstanding of the Bible, as well as a biased view from observing a small but vocal bunch of so-called Christians who live nothing like Jesus did. I would suggest you at the very least read the book of Matthew to learn about the life of Jesus. He railed against the judgemental religious leaders of his time so much it got him killed.

I agree. I admit my knowledge is very limited but I am transmitting what information is readily available to me and from experiences. It is impossible for me to address every single christian person because, like i mentioned, christianity is so open to interpretation and different practices and different believes and different branches that all center around bible, at least a little bit so I have no choice but to generalize and use cop-out terms like "not all" or "only some" or "a small portion." Otherwise, I would sit here and right a page's worth of posts. Any post is biased. I don't believe anybody is ever truly neutral or objective but i feel like because my parents did not enforce religious practices, when i hit my moment of religious curiosity, I learned to despise. It's a nasty word but it is the truth.

A quick example, I lived in a small country called Belize. Very thrid world but my father had an important job as a marine biologist in an up-and-coming fish farm (whatever the term is) and we lived well, compared to the general population. My dad felt the public schools were way too raggy so i got switched to a private, christian school which was a huge step-up and we didn't think it would be so strict. For the next, 5 months (moved to the U.S shortly after transferring schools) I had bible verses and believes and fictious stories shoved down my throat. If I failed my religion class (forgot the correct name) i would fail the year, plain and simple. I wasn't miserable but it was the one of the most annoying and uncomfortable periods of my life. Even the public school forced ( i was threatened about lower grades, being held back) me to go to church at least twice a month. My dad had to literally talk to the principal about excusing me out of it cause my dad did not believe in forcing people into religious activites. Needless to say, it was a sour time and it most likely lead to my current "hatred" of christianity. The experienced blinded me  and made my biased, I will admit it. I hope to later read the bible and maybe the book of mathews as you suggested and be able to better interpret my ideas.

That's really a shame, very sorry to hear that. Anything forced down your throat would give you a bitter taste, so I certainly understand where you're coming from. Faith cannot be forced, and when it's attempted to be forced (not the choice of the individual), it drives them away.



dsgrue3 said:
Jay520 said:

I'm sorry, but I'm having a difficult time finding where he said being gay was a choice. Maybe you could bold it for me? Perhaps you should turn your rage meter down a notch and you will stop seeing things you want to see.

Not directly, but he certainly insinuated it was. He says he does not think you are born gay, which means genetics plays no role despite scientists believing that epigenetics plays a vital role at the very least, and entire control at best.

Source: Here

"Italian researchers have made a new discovery that solidifies the understand that homosexuality — at least in men — has a strong genetic component. Though this study does not identify a specific gay gene, which probably does not exist, it does demonstrate what role genetics play."

Source: Here

ps3-sales! said:

My thoughts on gays as a Christian: I don't think you are born gay, but you might pick up very early in life who you are physically attracted to. Who are we to say you can just stop being attracted to the same sex? It doesn't work that way. Let them be and treat them with kindess, as they are normal people like everyone else. All this gay hate from Christians is not doing them any good. It just makes the gays stronger and work together more in order to get the rights they want. 

Bolded since apparently you can't read if it isn't in bold as per your own admission.



No, he didn't insinuate that being Gay was a choice. You do realize that being born gay and choice aren't the only two theories on homosexuality? There's a very controversial nature vs nurture debate which I'm sure you're aware of. Just admit that you were wrong and apologize.

Also, even if he believes people aren't born gay, that doesn't mean he also believes genetics play no role. He could believe that genetics play a role, but not a big enough role for anyone to be guaranteed gay immediately after gay.