By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General - Why try to disprove/disagree with religion?

timmah said:
EdHieron said:
timmah said:
EdHieron said:
timmah said:
EdHieron said:
timmah said:
So this has turned into a bunch of intolerant people attacking and demeaning Christianity and religious people based only on clear perversions & misuses of the original message. You've shown yourselves for what you are, and it's really sad to see this kind of intolerant, closed-minded, bigoted thinking on display. You're all just as bad as the intolerance you claim to hate. There's no reasonable debate to be had with the intolerant, bitter, and biased people above.


I was just stating the facts about Christianity.  Your unwillingness to accept the truth about you religion shows you for what you are.

The term 'Christian' means 'little christ' or 'follower of Christ'. 


 You're pointing out the actions of evil people who FALSELY clamed to be followers of Jesus. Falsely because their actions were exactly the opposite of Christianity. If someone claims to be a tree, it doesn't make them a tree. What you describe is NOT my religion, and how dare you insinuate it is?


What did those people believe themselves to be?

Are you serious? I don't give a rip what they claimed to be, they weren't what they claimed because of their actions. If they were actually following Jesus' example, they would not have done what they did, period. Again, if one believes they are a tree, that does not make them a tree. What part of that don't you get? If somebody claims to be non-violent and goes out and commits murders, that doesn't mean people who believe in non-violence are murderers.


So do you go out and actively campaign for reproductive rights for women and for gays to be allowed to have marriage rights ( in spite of the fact that  if you're from the US ~70% of your fellow Christians are against those things) and for the Catholic Church to end its suppression of true and accurate information regarding the truth about the number of pedophile priests that it has?

Apparently you think they're all doing Christianity wrong, so as a Christian, it should be your duty to change their ways.

Or do you just nag atheists and say "That's not my Christianity!" despite the fact that it is the Christianity of ~70% of American Christians?


I'm all for Birth Control and for a woman to be able to do what she wants with her body if that's actually what you mean. Abortion is a different discussion entirely and has more to do with the rights of a human baby and balancing that with the rights of the mother. It's a very complex and sensitive topic for both sides, and there are many different levels of support or opposition to that particular topic. I'd like to see a good compromise on the gay marriage issue, I personally advocate for a 'civil union' that gives the same rights as marriage to help eliminate the religious controversy and make such legislation easier to pass.

I think the Catholic Church should certainly deal harshly with and be far more open about the pedophelia issue. I'm not a Catholic (in fact I have a number of major issues with the Catholic church in the past and now). Catholicism quickly became a theistic government run by power-hungry people, and i have a huge problem with that. They're certainly working to change, but they have a long way to go still in my opinion.

I'm not nagging any atheists, I have not once attacked your beliefs, insinuated you're evil, or anything that could  be considered 'nagging' (I've only defended my beliefs), though your actions towards people you don't agree with would certainly fit your 'nagging' definition. I'm not sure where you get the 70% number from, the hard-core 'fundamentalist' crowd you're using as a straw man is significantly smaller in number than that, though very vocal.

Instead of mercilessly attacking religion in its entirity, which only breeds contempt and kills open discourse, why not argue for your ideas in a reasonable way? You'd be more likely to actually change minds or at least help people to compromise with a tactic like that.

Fetuses pass through many stages before they come to resemble anything that even resembles a human being.  Just take a look at a biology textbook.  When in one of these earlier stages, it would be impossible to classify them as a human being.

70% of American Christians voted for Conservative / Tea Party Candidates in America's 2010 Congressional Elections (http://irregulartimes.com/teapartyfundamentalism.html ).  They were all Fundamentalist Christians that believe ID ( ie. not that there was just some nebulous and unknowable Deistic force that created everything (which wouldn't be as bad), but that the wholly mythological God Yahweh of Christianity, Judaism, Mormonism, and Islam was the true Creator God) should be taught in schools on equal footing with Evolution, that believe Roe Versus Wade should be overturned ( and that women can't get pregnant when they're raped), and that there should be a Constitutional Amendment against gay marriage.  And in 2012 they very nearly put in a Mormon Cultist ( which would have certainly put America on its own path to establishing a Fourth Reich https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2t1Io9s6GE   ) in as President merely because the other fellow was  black.

As long as the vast majority of American Christians continue to try to sabotage America's Foundational Principle of Separation of Church and State and continue to try to indoctrinate others into believing that there's really any reality to their religion and that others should have to abide by such Stone Age teachings as gays should be stoned to death ( or denied basic rights like the ability to get married) and that women should be subservient to their husbands, are second class citizens and should not have a say over whether or not they have control over their own bodies, then I will have no choice to attack their arguments just as vociferously as they make them and to do so more forcefully and far more cogently.

Moderated,

-Mr Khan



Around the Network
timmah said:
ps3-sales! said:
timmah said:
So this has turned into a bunch of intolerant people attacking and demeaning Christianity and religious people based only on clear perversions & misuses of the original message. You've shown yourselves for what you are, and it's really sad to see this kind of intolerant, closed-minded, bigoted thinking on display. You're all just as bad as the intolerance you claim to hate. There's no reasonable debate to be had with the intolerant, bitter, and biased people above.


Unfortunately that happens on both sides of the fence. Ignorance is everywhere, weather it be a Christian or an Atheist. I think that my religion ultimately has hurt itself with numerous examples of ignorant people and immoral actions that hurt the overall message that we are trying to give.

There will never be a perfect group. There will always be the few that end up hurting the whole. With that said, I can't go around trying to correct/fix everyone. I will continue to believe in God as a Christian and will share to others THAT WANT to hear what my beliefs are; the same as I will hear what others believe in.

Agreed. Now to head back over to the gaming section of the site, the magical realm where both Christians and Atheists can find something to agree on. :)

I don't think EdHieron read this -____-

*BACK TO GAMING*



Currently own:

 

  • Ps4

 

Currently playing: Witcher 3, Walking Dead S1/2, GTA5, Dying Light, Tomb Raider Remaster, MGS Ground Zeros

if that's the case,what's the point of debate. Were all suppose to hold hands and live in an utopia free world,right!!!!!



What's to debate? No contemporary evidence for Jesus, yet Christians blindly believe in some Messiah who performed miracles and shit. It's completely absurd. The only debate should be: "Is Christianity a mental health disorder?" I could debate that.



dsgrue3 said:
What's to debate? No contemporary evidence for Jesus, yet Christians blindly believe in some Messiah who performed miracles and shit. It's completely absurd. The only debate should be: "Is Christianity a mental health disorder?" I could debate that.


Honestly dude, I don't understand people like you. Why can't you let people believe what they want without criticizing them? It's immature and ignorant behavior that has no place here.



Currently own:

 

  • Ps4

 

Currently playing: Witcher 3, Walking Dead S1/2, GTA5, Dying Light, Tomb Raider Remaster, MGS Ground Zeros

Around the Network
ps3-sales! said:
dsgrue3 said:
What's to debate? No contemporary evidence for Jesus, yet Christians blindly believe in some Messiah who performed miracles and shit. It's completely absurd. The only debate should be: "Is Christianity a mental health disorder?" I could debate that.


Honestly dude, I don't understand people like you. Why can't you let people believe what they want without criticizing them? It's immature and ignorant behavior that has no place here.

What's not to understand?  if not for the millenia of tradition, what christians believe would be considered a mental disorder.  If you disregard the fact that it's religion, you need to understand that religion is, essentially, a combination of hallucinations (talking to god, feeling god, hearing his voice), delusions (believing the events of the bible as being factual and not metaphorical), and belligerently ignorant (still believing things like the earth being 6000 years old, etc).  If it wasn't for t he fact that people have believed variations of what you believe for most of human history, that shit would get you locked up in a nuthouse.  

I'm sorry, but nothing he said was immature or ignorant.  In fact it's the opposite.  Criticizing something for being completely absurd and lacking any substantial supporting evidence isn't immature or ignorant, it's the basis of scientific inquiry.  One cannot learn if they cannot accept when a held belief is proven false, or at least lacks evidence.  

That's why we debate.  That's why we argue.  that's why atheists have such a problem with the devout.  



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

Runa216 said:
ps3-sales! said:
dsgrue3 said:
What's to debate? No contemporary evidence for Jesus, yet Christians blindly believe in some Messiah who performed miracles and shit. It's completely absurd. The only debate should be: "Is Christianity a mental health disorder?" I could debate that.


Honestly dude, I don't understand people like you. Why can't you let people believe what they want without criticizing them? It's immature and ignorant behavior that has no place here.

What's not to understand?  if not for the millenia of tradition, what christians believe would be considered a mental disorder.  If you disregard the fact that it's religion, you need to understand that religion is, essentially, a combination of hallucinations (talking to god, feeling god, hearing his voice), delusions (believing the events of the bible as being factual and not metaphorical), and belligerently ignorant (still believing things like the earth being 6000 years old, etc).  If it wasn't for t he fact that people have believed variations of what you believe for most of human history, that shit would get you locked up in a nuthouse.  

I'm sorry, but nothing he said was immature or ignorant.  In fact it's the opposite.  Criticizing something for being completely absurd and lacking any substantial supporting evidence isn't immature or ignorant, it's the basis of scientific inquiry.  One cannot learn if they cannot accept when a held belief is proven false, or at least lacks evidence.  

That's why we debate.  That's why we argue.  that's why atheists have such a problem with the devout.  

“Imagination does not breed insanity. Exactly what does breed insanity is reason. Poets do not go mad; but chess-players do. Mathematicians go mad, and cashiers; but creative artists very seldom. I am not, as will be seen, in any sense attacking logic: I only say that this danger does lie in logic, not in imagination.” - G.K. Chesterton.



Runa216 said:
ps3-sales! said:
dsgrue3 said:
What's to debate? No contemporary evidence for Jesus, yet Christians blindly believe in some Messiah who performed miracles and shit. It's completely absurd. The only debate should be: "Is Christianity a mental health disorder?" I could debate that.


Honestly dude, I don't understand people like you. Why can't you let people believe what they want without criticizing them? It's immature and ignorant behavior that has no place here.

What's not to understand?  if not for the millenia of tradition, what christians believe would be considered a mental disorder.  If you disregard the fact that it's religion, you need to understand that religion is, essentially, a combination of hallucinations (talking to god, feeling god, hearing his voice), delusions (believing the events of the bible as being factual and not metaphorical), and belligerently ignorant (still believing things like the earth being 6000 years old, etc).  If it wasn't for t he fact that people have believed variations of what you believe for most of human history, that shit would get you locked up in a nuthouse.  

I'm sorry, but nothing he said was immature or ignorant.  In fact it's the opposite.  Criticizing something for being completely absurd and lacking any substantial supporting evidence isn't immature or ignorant, it's the basis of scientific inquiry.  One cannot learn if they cannot accept when a held belief is proven false, or at least lacks evidence.  

That's why we debate.  That's why we argue.  that's why atheists have such a problem with the devout.  


I like your explanation and tend to agree with what your saying,but it came across like he was making fun of his beliefs. So,your saying millions of people have a mental health disorder? I tend 2 think that religion is just something people follow,to make themselves sleep better at night,I mean who really knows.



richardhutnik said:
Runa216 said:

What's not to understand?  if not for the millenia of tradition, what christians believe would be considered a mental disorder.  If you disregard the fact that it's religion, you need to understand that religion is, essentially, a combination of hallucinations (talking to god, feeling god, hearing his voice), delusions (believing the events of the bible as being factual and not metaphorical), and belligerently ignorant (still believing things like the earth being 6000 years old, etc).  If it wasn't for t he fact that people have believed variations of what you believe for most of human history, that shit would get you locked up in a nuthouse.  

I'm sorry, but nothing he said was immature or ignorant.  In fact it's the opposite.  Criticizing something for being completely absurd and lacking any substantial supporting evidence isn't immature or ignorant, it's the basis of scientific inquiry.  One cannot learn if they cannot accept when a held belief is proven false, or at least lacks evidence.  

That's why we debate.  That's why we argue.  that's why atheists have such a problem with the devout.  

 

“Imagination does not breed insanity. Exactly what does breed insanity is reason. Poets do not go mad; but chess-players do. Mathematicians go mad, and cashiers; but creative artists very seldom. I am not, as will be seen, in any sense attacking logic: I only say that this danger does lie in logic, not in imagination.” - G.K. Chesterton.

 

yes, but these people actually beleve in make-believe.  Being creative is fine, but when you can no longer discern between reality and fantasy, then yes, you're a little crazy. 



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

oldschoolfool said:

I like your explanation and tend to agree with what your saying,but it came across like he was making fun of his beliefs. So,your saying millions of people have a mental health disorder? I tend 2 think that religion is just something people follow,to make themselves sleep better at night,I mean who really knows.

I am making fun of their beliefs, as much as I'd laugh at scientology or the kool aid drinkers.  Seriously, the only difference between a religion and a cult is membership numbers. 



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android