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Ail on 16 January 2013

If posters on this thread are indeed representative of gun owners, we already let way too many guns in the hands of crazy people...



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Mr Khan on 16 January 2013
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:

And where are you wandering around that you need a hell of a lot of bullets? Isn't the gun alone supposed to be the deterrent?

You're preparing for things that nobody should need to prepare for.

2 magazines of bullets is "a hell of a lot"? thats news to me, as well as many concealed carriers.

there are numerous times and situation that can and have arrised where people need more than just 7 bullets. Just recently a Georgia women shot an intruder 5 times with her revolver. and the guy lived and escaped. Know just think if there were multiple attackers, and or she had missed a few times. why should people like her or me be limited in the amount of ammo my gun can hold.

why is your insatiable desire to restrict people rights, and control people more important than my and others safety.

you have no argument, i already debunked the thought that restricting mag sizes will somehow stop shooting or save lives. it wont, it will have zero or negative effect on crime. the murderer wont care about some law that states he cant carry more than 10 rounds, he also wont be bothers by carry numerous mags on his body, he also wont be hindered by needing time to reload.

but me as a law abiding citizen will be very effected by such a ban.

Because i fundamentally don't see why you think what you're doing is safety. You say "safety," i see "threat."



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bouzane on 16 January 2013
fordy said:
bouzane said:

How can people be so willfully ignorant? Obama is doing nothing to protect the people, he's limiting the public's freedom through fear mongering. There is a workaround for magazine limitations (quite easy I might add) and even if there wasn't, criminals would still find a way to get their hands on unmodified magazines after these laws take effect. Hell, this will simply create another lucrative black market for organized criminals to feed off of. Additionally, does anybody here even understand what an assault rifle is? By definition, assault rifles have LESS energy per round than hunting rifles and by extension, LESS potential stopping power. Finally, even if you could push a magick button and erase all firearms from existance then guess what, people could simply result to using explosives instead. You can level a building and kill hundreds of people with little more than common household items if you so desired. You can create effective explosives with corn starch, yes you read that right, scorn starch! Stop handing over your rights to the obtrusive nanny-state and stop granting them more power and control.

Also, what's wrong with you fordy, are you being obtuse or do you actually believe in the crap that you're posting?

"What we need is more freedom. No control! No limitations.....

WHAT THE HELL, FORDY? THAT'S GOING TOO FAR!!!"


I'm referring to your ludicrous nuclear weapons argument a few pages back, I guess I should have quoted it. Although I must admit to having failed to properly read everything in that discussion, boy do I feel silly.



MDMAlliance on 16 January 2013
bouzane said: Finally, even if you could push a magick button and erase all firearms from existance then guess what, people could simply result to using explosives instead. You can level a building and kill hundreds of people with little more than common household items if you so desired. You can create effective explosives with corn starch, yes you read that right, scorn starch! Stop handing over your rights to the obtrusive nanny-state and stop granting them more power and control.


I'm not going to respond to your initial point as I already know CRIMINALS can get around it easily regardless.  

But this point, I would like to say that you DO get tracked if you buy certain items that can be used to make a bomb.  If you were to try and make a bomb yourself, you would find that it is more difficult to get away with making a bomb to blow stuff up than to get a gun and shoot people.



bouzane on 16 January 2013
MDMAlliance said:
bouzane said: Finally, even if you could push a magick button and erase all firearms from existance then guess what, people could simply result to using explosives instead. You can level a building and kill hundreds of people with little more than common household items if you so desired. You can create effective explosives with corn starch, yes you read that right, scorn starch! Stop handing over your rights to the obtrusive nanny-state and stop granting them more power and control.


I'm not going to respond to your initial point as I already know CRIMINALS can get around it easily regardless.  

But this point, I would like to say that you DO get tracked if you buy certain items that can be used to make a bomb.  If you were to try and make a bomb yourself, you would find that it is more difficult to get away with making a bomb to blow stuff up than to get a gun and shoot people.


I get tracked whenever I purchase corn starch, electrical cables, springs, particle board and AA batteries?



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killerzX on 16 January 2013
Mr Khan said:
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:
 

And where are you wandering around that you need a hell of a lot of bullets? Isn't the gun alone supposed to be the deterrent?

You're preparing for things that nobody should need to prepare for.

2 magazines of bullets is "a hell of a lot"? thats news to me, as well as many concealed carriers.

there are numerous times and situation that can and have arrised where people need more than just 7 bullets. Just recently a Georgia women shot an intruder 5 times with her revolver. and the guy lived and escaped. Know just think if there were multiple attackers, and or she had missed a few times. why should people like her or me be limited in the amount of ammo my gun can hold.

why is your insatiable desire to restrict people rights, and control people more important than my and others safety.

you have no argument, i already debunked the thought that restricting mag sizes will somehow stop shooting or save lives. it wont, it will have zero or negative effect on crime. the murderer wont care about some law that states he cant carry more than 10 rounds, he also wont be bothers by carry numerous mags on his body, he also wont be hindered by needing time to reload.

but me as a law abiding citizen will be very effected by such a ban.

Because i fundamentally don't see why you think what you're doing is safety. You say "safety," i see "threat."

you see the need to control people take away peoples rights make  people less safe. i see the need to protect myself from said things.

but if you are so threatened by lawful gun owners, im sure you wouldnt mind putting a sign in your front yard stating you are gun free. you know, so we can know you arent a threat.

facts be damned, if it makes progressive anti-constitutionalists happy, do it!



MDMAlliance on 16 January 2013
bouzane said:
MDMAlliance said:
bouzane said: Finally, even if you could push a magick button and erase all firearms from existance then guess what, people could simply result to using explosives instead. You can level a building and kill hundreds of people with little more than common household items if you so desired. You can create effective explosives with corn starch, yes you read that right, scorn starch! Stop handing over your rights to the obtrusive nanny-state and stop granting them more power and control.


I'm not going to respond to your initial point as I already know CRIMINALS can get around it easily regardless.  

But this point, I would like to say that you DO get tracked if you buy certain items that can be used to make a bomb.  If you were to try and make a bomb yourself, you would find that it is more difficult to get away with making a bomb to blow stuff up than to get a gun and shoot people.


I get tracked whenever I purchase corn starch, electrical cables, springs, particle board and AA batteries?


The government looks at the stuff you buy if it's suspicious.  They would watch you, so it wont exactly be something you can easily do.  If it were so easy, it would  be a much cheaper alternative to buying assault weapons to kill groups of people.



gergroy on 16 January 2013

Im fine with gun laws, to be honest. There are people that should not have access to guns. There are also guns that the normal population shouldnt have access to.



fordy on 16 January 2013
MDMAlliance said:
bouzane said:
MDMAlliance said:
bouzane said: Finally, even if you could push a magick button and erase all firearms from existance then guess what, people could simply result to using explosives instead. You can level a building and kill hundreds of people with little more than common household items if you so desired. You can create effective explosives with corn starch, yes you read that right, scorn starch! Stop handing over your rights to the obtrusive nanny-state and stop granting them more power and control.


I'm not going to respond to your initial point as I already know CRIMINALS can get around it easily regardless.  

But this point, I would like to say that you DO get tracked if you buy certain items that can be used to make a bomb.  If you were to try and make a bomb yourself, you would find that it is more difficult to get away with making a bomb to blow stuff up than to get a gun and shoot people.


I get tracked whenever I purchase corn starch, electrical cables, springs, particle board and AA batteries?


The government looks at the stuff you buy if it's suspicious.  They would watch you, so it wont exactly be something you can easily do.  If it were so easy, it would  be a much cheaper alternative to buying assault weapons to kill groups of people.


One day they're going to arrest someone who bought a lot of cucumbers and a bottle of lube, and accuse him of being a sodomist terrorist, and it's going to be the craziest day ever :)



Ckmlb1 on 16 January 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
Ckmlb1 said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Obama has broke so many laws domestic and internationally that he should of been impeached a long time ago. 

If the Repubicans in congress had any grounds to impeach Obama they would have already done it (they don't have anything). They impeached Clinton for lying about a blowjob...


I think you mean for perjury and one obstruction of justice the the investigation of his illegal land deals known as Whitewater. What's unfortunate is the whole blowjob thing overshadowed his real crimes.

I said lying about the blowjob, which is the perjury part. The part about the Whitewater, did that result in anything or was it another witch hunt that wasted tonnes of money (by the people that hate government spending supposedly)?



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