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bonkers555 on 16 January 2013
BasilZero said:
bonkers555 said:
Xxain said:
I had to stop reading the Rape of Nanjing. That shit is barbaric

I know. But pro-Japanese people here don't awknowledge it. Most people here don't even want to learn about it.


So what do you propose the Chinese to do? Do the same thing to the Japanese?

Do nothing. But learn and awknowledge it and so the future doesn't make the same mistake. Most Chinese victims never have closure because the Japanese as a country never admit wrong doing until recently. Heck even recently a lot of Japanese don't believe "The Rape of Nanking" ever happen.



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CityOfNoobs on 16 January 2013
NintendoPie said:
menx64 said:
Attoyou said:
Will not happen. Too much to lose, not much to gain.


Bolded for truth.

 The growing middle class in China is starting to awake and to demand more freedom, the popular party responds challenging Japan about the Senkaku's... the patriotic freeks see their goverment as heroes and thus the popular party keeps the acceptance from the masses. Nothing happens at the end.

 very easy equation.

Ah, very true. I read something on this.

China does things like this whenever their people get out of line. They make an outside problem to make it seem worse for other people in the world, which in turn makes the Chinese people calm down their rioting and such.

It's such a ridiculous cycle.

GOVERNMENTS do not like when their people get out of line, and this strategy of "deviation of attention" is used in every single one of them. It may be easier to identify  this sort of action for countries other than your own because you are on the outside looking in,  but its prevalent in all governments and has been throughout world history. 



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bonkers555 on 16 January 2013
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UnknownFact said:
bonkers555 said:
China never forgot the "The Rape of Nanking". All of Asia want a piece of Japan after World War II, just China got the balls and power to do something about it.

It's funny how everyone are pro-Japanese but don't really understand the relationship between Asia vs Japan. Japan never admit their wrong doing in World War II until recently. It took them 60+ years until someone in power to apologize about the "The Rape of Nanking".

As far as I know there wasn't something like "The Rape of Nanking" in Latin America, but the United States have done things just as bad in Latin America as Japan with Asia.

It took Japan 60 years to apologize, you say? I don't think that's worse than convincing the whole world that they didn't do shit :) (goes without saying that the US haven't apologized and probably never will).

Just like there's some extreme Japanese people who justify some of Japan's past actions, there's some US people who justify the US actions. How does this happen is beyond my understanding, how can someone thing such things are 'right', but I'll leave that to some psychologists in the future.

You cannot condemn Japan for it's past actions without condemning the US as well. I just want to get rid of everyone in this argument that want bad things to happen to Japan, because they would have to want the same things to happen to the USA and with that, I want to get rid of anyone that want bad things to happen to any country.


This is about Japan and China.  Alleged US actions elsewhere have nothing to do with it.

Trying to somehow lessen the awful happening at Nanjing by pointing at others is always unhelpful and in this case irrelevant.

The Chinese are still very upset about what happened an Nanjing.  It was pretty vile.

I already posted on his wall for some example of what the United States have done "JUST AS BAD" as the Rape of Nanking in Latin America. He still haven't gave me any examples yet. I'm still waiting for it.

@UnknownFact, you can post the examples here, write it on my wall or PM me.



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bonkers555 on 16 January 2013

I want to make my self VERY clear here. I do not want any war between these two countries because it do a lot of damage to the region, the world economy and lost of casualties for some stupid islands. But what bother me on these posts here is that a few of you do not see any reason why any Asian countries are still upset at Japan during World War II. 


All I ask is not to belittle the Chinese or any other Asian countries still have some anger toward Japan for their past crimes.



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NintendoPie on 16 January 2013
CityOfNoobs said:

GOVERNMENTS do not like when their people get out of line, and this strategy of "deviation of attention" is used in every single one of them. It may be easier to identify  this sort of action for countries other than your own because you are on the outside looking in,  but its prevalent in all governments and has been throughout world history. 

I never said that I don't think other Governments do this. I know they do!



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the2real4mafol on 17 January 2013
bonkers555 said:
Xxain said:
I had to stop reading the Rape of Nanjing. That shit is barbaric

I know. But pro-Japanese people here don't awknowledge it. Most people here don't even want to learn about it.

I can understand that the Chinese hate them for that, the Japanese did some messed up shit between 1937 and 1945. But ain't the Chinese just as bad, if they decided to do such a massacre to the Japanese?



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Nem on 17 January 2013
bonkers555 said:
BasilZero said:
bonkers555 said:
Xxain said:
I had to stop reading the Rape of Nanjing. That shit is barbaric

I know. But pro-Japanese people here don't awknowledge it. Most people here don't even want to learn about it.


So what do you propose the Chinese to do? Do the same thing to the Japanese?

Do nothing. But learn and awknowledge it and so the future doesn't make the same mistake. Most Chinese victims never have closure because the Japanese as a country never admit wrong doing until recently. Heck even recently a lot of Japanese don't believe "The Rape of Nanking" ever happen.


That is dumb. What good will it do for people today to apologise for things that happened almost a century ago?

Its like the germans can apologise to us for what happened in WWII. Do we care? No, we dont. Its been a long time ago. Aslong as they dont try it again, were fine. Most of us and of them in present day werent even around then. Whats the point of making the sons pay for the mistakes of the fathers?

 

The Chinise have to get their heads out of their arses and realise that the past cant be changed. It was tragic, its true, but its not an excuse to start a new war. If they do that, they are no better than those they claim to have wronged them.



oni-link on 18 January 2013
the2real4mafol said:
bonkers555 said:
Xxain said:
I had to stop reading the Rape of Nanjing. That shit is barbaric

I know. But pro-Japanese people here don't awknowledge it. Most people here don't even want to learn about it.

I can understand that the Chinese hate them for that, the Japanese did some messed up shit between 1937 and 1945. But ain't the Chinese just as bad, if they decided to do such a massacre to the Japanese?


not to mention what is happening in Tibet lately.



ZaneWane on 18 January 2013
the2real4mafol said:
bonkers555 said:
Xxain said:
I had to stop reading the Rape of Nanjing. That shit is barbaric

I know. But pro-Japanese people here don't awknowledge it. Most people here don't even want to learn about it.

I can understand that the Chinese hate them for that, the Japanese did some messed up shit between 1937 and 1945. But ain't the Chinese just as bad, if they decided to do such a massacre to the Japanese?

 

nothing compare to what japan done to chinese

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVwErfx1bpo



bonkers555 on 18 January 2013
the2real4mafol said:
bonkers555 said:
Xxain said:
I had to stop reading the Rape of Nanjing. That shit is barbaric

I know. But pro-Japanese people here don't awknowledge it. Most people here don't even want to learn about it.

I can understand that the Chinese hate them for that, the Japanese did some messed up shit between 1937 and 1945. But ain't the Chinese just as bad, if they decided to do such a massacre to the Japanese?

Keyword here is "IF". The Chinese haven't done shit to Japan yet and most here is already condeming the Chinese. If China ever attack I will be the first one to march into San Francisco Chinatown to protest against the Chinese. You comparing something that may happen to something that had happen.



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