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LordTheNightKnight said:
Of course all the news channels twist facts, but the thing is that fox news has actually been shown to omit stories that they think make the conservative side look bad, such as giving as little coverage as possible to Cheney shooting a guy, even though it didn't really make Cheney look bad.

There are tons of instances of other stations doing this. The war is a great example, they were happy to show all sorts of stories when it was going poorly but now that most of the news there is positive they don't really cover it at all. Seriously folks stop deluding yourselves into believing the news you watch is special..its not. All of them are equally horrible. Its like you didn't even read what I wrote and just wrote a "but but but..." reply. They all do it, telling yourself otherwise doesn't change that.

Actually if anything there is more solid reasoning to believe that Fox is the better of the networks than the other way around. You guys can point out single issues as much as you want but as I said in another thread, Fox issued a challenge to the major networks to release all of their internal news memos together, and claiming they had nothing to hide...if the other networks were so clean and tidy why not accept the offer. Fox then has to go back on the deal and look ridiculous or they will release the memos and we can all see what goes on at all of the stations, full disclosure. The reason they didn't accept is because they think they have just as much (and possibly more due to their age) to hide than Fox does.

I'm sure you guys have tons of stories of the evil deeds of fox news, and I'm sure there are probably a lot of people in this world that could tell some pretty awful stories about interactions with you and how rude you were to them on the bus or what petty things you did when some cut in line at a resteraunt or theater etc... Like I said nobody looks good under a microscope.

I know and accept how biased my news is, but every person who acts like Fox is special just shows that they don't. Feel free to post more examples to that effect, but for me I've said my peace and will let the thread get back on topic.



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@Sqrl.

I only read the first part of your post before I realised that you didn't really understand journalism. A war that has been going on for 3 years and nothing interesting is happening in it will not get coverage. The only time it will get coverage is when things go bad or when something like the troop surge occurs.


I must say I haven't watched much American news (I prefer the BBC) but all the most hilarious clips that I have seen are Fox. There is this Mass Effect one, the DS pedophile one and the worst one of all, the report on "Anonymous". Seriously some news stations are worse than others, not all stations are created equal and Fox doesn't even need to be put under a microscope for some of their things because they are so blatantly wrong that no research is needed.



Rath said:
@Sqrl.

I only read the first part of your post before I realised that you didn't really understand journalism. A war that has been going on for 3 years and nothing interesting is happening in it will not get coverage. The only time it will get coverage is when things go bad or when something like the troop surge occurs.

I don't think that that is what he is talking about. He isn't saying that when nothing happens, they don't say anything about the war. I think he is saying that when good things happen, they don't say anything about the war.

In my opinion, people seem to want to hear about the bad news more than the good, and since Fox probably wants good ratings, they are going to choose to air bad news over any good news. I feel that a good journalist will talk about both the good and the bad, but a journalist that wants attention will only reprt on the bad. So in my opinion Fox(and a number of other news sources) is one large attention-wanting journalist.



Sqrl said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Of course all the news channels twist facts, but the thing is that fox news has actually been shown to omit stories that they think make the conservative side look bad, such as giving as little coverage as possible to Cheney shooting a guy, even though it didn't really make Cheney look bad.

There are tons of instances of other stations doing this. The war is a great example, they were happy to show all sorts of stories when it was going poorly but now that most of the news there is positive they don't really cover it at all. Seriously folks stop deluding yourselves into believing the news you watch is special..its not. All of them are equally horrible. Its like you didn't even read what I wrote and just wrote a "but but but..." reply. They all do it, telling yourself otherwise doesn't change that.

Actually if anything there is more solid reasoning to believe that Fox is the better of the networks than the other way around. You guys can point out single issues as much as you want but as I said in another thread, Fox issued a challenge to the major networks to release all of their internal news memos together, and claiming they had nothing to hide...if the other networks were so clean and tidy why not accept the offer. Fox then has to go back on the deal and look ridiculous or they will release the memos and we can all see what goes on at all of the stations, full disclosure. The reason they didn't accept is because they think they have just as much (and possibly more due to their age) to hide than Fox does.

I'm sure you guys have tons of stories of the evil deeds of fox news, and I'm sure there are probably a lot of people in this world that could tell some pretty awful stories about interactions with you and how rude you were to them on the bus or what petty things you did when some cut in line at a resteraunt or theater etc... Like I said nobody looks good under a microscope.

I know and accept how biased my news is, but every person who acts like Fox is special just shows that they don't. Feel free to post more examples to that effect, but for me I've said my peace and will let the thread get back on topic.


Did I write that fox news did that exclusively? I did not. I just wrote that they try to omit even the minor things.

Plus the owner of fox entertainment group has been infamous for yellow journalism for years.



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Sqrl said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Of course all the news channels twist facts, but the thing is that fox news has actually been shown to omit stories that they think make the conservative side look bad, such as giving as little coverage as possible to Cheney shooting a guy, even though it didn't really make Cheney look bad.

There are tons of instances of other stations doing this. The war is a great example, they were happy to show all sorts of stories when it was going poorly but now that most of the news there is positive they don't really cover it at all. Seriously folks stop deluding yourselves into believing the news you watch is special..its not. All of them are equally horrible. Its like you didn't even read what I wrote and just wrote a "but but but..." reply. They all do it, telling yourself otherwise doesn't change that.

The other news channels HAVE been reporting the surge working. I know. I've seen the Stories.
MSNBC ran a bunch of stories about it. CNN ran a bunch of stories about it. The only reason they still arn't running stories is because we have a little thing called the presidential election. Even then a good number of stories talk about how the troop surge working in Iraq should help Mccain.
If fox news is different then every other paper and channel out their in how they report more stories you have one of two options.
1) Fox news is more biased
2) Everyone else is the same amount of biased but in the opposite direction of Fox news. (including just about every newspaper even the conservative ones.)
I'm gonna go with Fox news being full of it. As someone who usually thinks out their aguements rationally i'm surprised you miss this. I'm assuming you read a few newspapers and watch a variety of news tv right? You have to have noticed.
Christians believe everyones sin.

Christians can tell the difference between someone who has robbed a store, and someone who eats grapes in the supermarket. If you read from a wide breath of news soruces and watch each of the 4 24 news networks (though two are very similar, 5 if you count BBC) you will see that Fox news obviously different in the way they handle everything compared to the rest of the news networks.

This is compared to some conservatives on other networks as well by the way. They report differently then the other conservative republicans on other networks. It's not  a case of them trying to make republicans look better or sensationalist journalism, it's them going way farther over the line with it.


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One thing to note is how other news stations/publishers handle this.  Seeing Fox get called on this issue may be sending out ripples no one is thinking about.  It may force other news stations to tighten up their reporting when it comes to the gaming industry and it may also send a message to other publisher/developers not to let reporters slander their games and to do the same.  While I think both of those may be a bit hopeful on my part, they could become pleasant side-effects.



Kasz216 said:
Sqrl said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Of course all the news channels twist facts, but the thing is that fox news has actually been shown to omit stories that they think make the conservative side look bad, such as giving as little coverage as possible to Cheney shooting a guy, even though it didn't really make Cheney look bad.

There are tons of instances of other stations doing this. The war is a great example, they were happy to show all sorts of stories when it was going poorly but now that most of the news there is positive they don't really cover it at all. Seriously folks stop deluding yourselves into believing the news you watch is special..its not. All of them are equally horrible. Its like you didn't even read what I wrote and just wrote a "but but but..." reply. They all do it, telling yourself otherwise doesn't change that.

The other news channels HAVE been reporting the surge working. I know. I've seen the Stories.
MSNBC ran a bunch of stories about it. CNN ran a bunch of stories about it. The only reason they still arn't running stories is because we have a little thing called the presidential election. Even then a good number of stories talk about how the troop surge working in Iraq should help Mccain.
If fox news is different then every other paper and channel out their in how they report more stories you have one of two options.
1) Fox news is more biased
2) Everyone else is the same amount of biased but in the opposite direction of Fox news. (including just about every newspaper even the conservative ones.)
I'm gonna go with Fox news being full of it. As someone who usually thinks out their aguements rationally i'm surprised you miss this. I'm assuming you read a few newspapers and watch a variety of news tv right? You have to have noticed.
Christians believe everyones sin.

Christians can tell the difference between someone who has robbed a store, and someone who eats grapes in the supermarket. If you read from a wide breath of news soruces and watch each of the 4 24 news networks (though two are very similar, 5 if you count BBC) you will see that Fox news obviously different in the way they handle everything compared to the rest of the news networks.

This is compared to some conservatives on other networks as well by the way. They report differently then the other conservative republicans on other networks. It's not a case of them trying to make republicans look better or sensationalist journalism, it's them going way farther over the line with it.

Way far. Rupert Murdoch got his fortune doing tabloid journalism. Why would he abandon that, when that type of reporting sells so well?

Fox news is comfort food for a certain type of conservative. Those that like their views pandered to. There is likely a liberal group like that, but they are either too small, or not unified in the views they want to be pandered to (should Air America have sucked up more to the environmentalists or the PC crowd?). 



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Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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EA vs Fox: Lawrence Recants Mass Effect Judgement



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

New York Times

January 26, 2008
Author Faults a Game, and Gamers Flame Back
By SETH SCHIESEL

The Internet hath no fury like a gamer scorned.

That’s the lesson Fox News and a self-help author learned this week after a program on that channel featured a discussion of the sexual content of the hit video game Mass Effect.

Bound by global message boards, blogs, chat rooms and of course the games themselves, gamers are perhaps the single most intense subculture on the Internet — fiercely protective of their pastime and at ease with the byways of cyberspace.

So the game world has been ablaze with indignation since the Fox News program “The Live Desk With Martha MacCallum” said on Monday that Mass Effect, one of the most critically praised games of 2007, contains frontal nudity and explicit depictions of sexual activity. The assertions of virtual lasciviousness first appeared earlier this month among conservative bloggers incensed by brief YouTube clips excerpted from the 30- to 40-hour game.

Mass Effect, a science fiction game, includes a complicated romantic subplot that is no more risqué in its plot or graphic in its depiction than evening network television.

To exact their revenge, gamers have turned their vitriol on Cooper Lawrence, an author who appeared to mischaracterize the game when she said: “Here’s how they’re seeing women: They’re seeing them as these objects of desire, as these, you know, hot bodies. They don’t show women as being valued for anything other than their sexuality. And it’s a man in this game deciding how many women he wants to be with.”

In fact Mass Effect allows users to play as either a man or a woman, and the few suggestions of intimate contact occur in the context of a detailed interpersonal story line. Asked on the air by Geoff Keighley of Spike TV whether she had ever played the game, Ms. Lawrence laughed and said, “No.”

Irate gamers have flooded the page on Amazon.com selling Ms. Lawrence’s most recent book, “The Cult of Perfection: Making Peace With Your Inner Overachiever,” sending its user-generated rating into oblivion.

By Friday afternoon 412 of the book’s 472 user reviews were the lowest possible rating, one star. Another 48 ratings were for two stars. Only 12 of the ratings were for three stars or higher. In addition, 929 Amazon users had tagged the book with the keyword “ignorant.” Tied for second place with 744 tags were “garbage” and “hypocrisy,” while “hack” and “hypocrite” tied for fourth place with 710 votes. Gamers have also attacked the book on the Barnes & Noble Web site.

Many of the reviewers admit that they have not read Ms. Lawrence’s book.

As one Amazon user put it: “I know all about this book but have never fully read it. Why? Due to the overwhelming backlash, I have no choice but to agree with the 1 star ratings. The rumors are rampant that this book was poorly written and poorly researched. So without verifying the contents myself — I give it a 1 star. Good thing video games aren’t judged in this manner — whew!!!”

On Friday “The Cult of Perfection” was ranked the 346,106th best-selling book on Amazon. Mass Effect, by contrast, has been a hit, selling more than 1.6 million copies since November. An Amazon spokeswoman said the site would soon begin to remove reviews written by users who had clearly not read the book.

In an interview on Friday, Ms. Lawrence said that since the controversy over her remarks erupted she had watched someone play the game for about two and a half hours. “I recognize that I misspoke,” she said. “I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.

“Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography,” she added. “But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”

Electronic Arts, the giant publisher that owns Mass Effect, has asked Fox News for a correction. A Fox News spokesman would say only that Electronic Arts had been offered a chance to appear on the channel. An Electronic Arts spokesman said the company had not yet decided whether to accept the offer.

By telephone from Edmonton, Alberta, Ray Muzyka, the medical doctor who is chief executive of BioWare, the Electronic Arts studio that made Mass Effect, said: “We’re hurt. We believe in video games as an art form, and on behalf of the 120 people who poured their blood and tears into this game over three years, we’re just really hurt that someone would misrepresent the game without even playing it. All we can hope for is that people who actually play our games will see the truth.”



I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.

Sincere or not, I'm glad she at least bothered to look at the game and then admit she was wrong.

Now what I would really like is for her to return on Fox News though that isn't going to happen.