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Are you for or against gay marriage?

For 290 49.49%
 
Against 171 29.18%
 
don't know 16 2.73%
 
whatever who cares? 108 18.43%
 
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TruckOSaurus on 09 January 2013
killerzX said:
TruckOSaurus said:

You have chosen your username poorly then. Also, you don't have control over whether your children will turn out gay or straight.

i can guarentee that no child of mine will be born gay.

I sure hope you don't have a gay child because he's gonna suffer needlessly.



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fordy on 09 January 2013
think-man said:
Im not against gay marriage, but I am against gays/lesbians having kids together. It's just not fare on the kids who will have to grow up in a house that is different from 95% of the population.


So you'd prefer them to stay in orphanages where they feel like nobody loves them? What about to hetero couples that always fight, or are physically abusive? Would that be a better place to raise kids?



killerzX on 09 January 2013
TruckOSaurus said:
killerzX said:
TruckOSaurus said:

You have chosen your username poorly then. Also, you don't have control over whether your children will turn out gay or straight.

i can guarentee that no child of mine will be born gay.

I sure hope you don't have a gay child because he's gonna suffer needlessly.

i wont, and he wont



sperrico87 on 09 January 2013
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:

You should be asking: "In what way are you for or against gay marriage?", as you can have both a personal opinion and an opinion with regard to politics or to the public.  For instance, I answered the poll question as "against" due to me personally being against it, but legally it is an entirely different matter.

My personal feelings are that, within my family, and with regards to raising my children, I will not tolerate homosexual marriage, and it will not be discussed or given any credibility in my home. Homosexual behavior ceases procreation, and therefore it serves no meaningful purpose, and is merely a social act with no significance.

Since government is involved, and that won't be changing anytime soon, my political opinion is that homosexuals cannot be prohibited from a legal marriage, as a government/ paper marriage is meaningless in the eyes of everything except the law, so therefore what does it matter to heterosexuals like myself if homosexuals commit to a legal marriage or not? I don't like it, I never will, but there isn't any reasonable legal basis for prohibiting it.

I should add, though, as I have in other threads about "gay marriage", that it is quite a double-standard for the people who advocate for these so-called "gay rights" when most of them would be horrified at the thought of legalizing plural marriage. I don't see any difference between the two. If marriage is something that is perfectly suitable to non-heterosexual people, why is it so bad for non-monogamous people to be legally wed? You support homosexual rights but not non-monogamous rights?

 

And what would you do if your child told you that they were gay?


He would know that I love him/her and will treat him/her the same as my heterosexual children, but I didn't support his/her lifestyle. 

So tell me more about "meaningless social acts" on this discussion forum involving video games. A little hypocritical, isn't it?

You realise that not everything in life has to have a productive purpose, right? If that were the case, we'd be nothing but robots.

I was referring to the marriage as being a meaningless social act, as the whole purpose of marriage up until the year 2000 was procreation.  A marriage between two people with the same sexual orientation is unnecessary.  The reason a man and woman get married to settle down with one another and start a family.  It's the whole purpose of the human race.  We need to have babies, otherwise we all die out in less than a hundred years.

So where is gay marriage disallowing heterosexual marriages? You're talking like it's a contageous disease or something, where if it's allowed, everyone will want it.

Look around you. Society is FULL of unnecessary things. I mean for gods sake, we have one of the greatest libraries of information ever known at our fingertips, yet plenty still use it to look up pictures of cats!

Besides, would you advocate forced heterosexual marriages if it meant the children were coming into a loveless household?

You must not have read my posts at all.  Nowhere did I say or even imply that gay marriage would disallow heterosexual marriage, I don't know where you're getting that from.  I also don't advocate marriage for anyone.  Do it if you want, otherwise don't do it.  I neither advocate it nor do I oppose it.  Also you're not addressing at all the underlying reason for marriage which is a man and woman having babies, so as to ensure the survival or our species.

It's implied in your response: 

"It's the whole purpose of the human race.  We need to have babies, otherwise we all die out in less than a hundred years."

So tell me, how does gay marriage stop that?

If, on the other hand, your point was to merely point out the use of marriage, how would you explain marriages where having kids are not intended, or sought after? By your logic, marriage should only occur if people INTEND to have children.

As I said, gay marriage is in direct opposition to child-bearing, so fundamentally it is abhorrent because it doesn't even physically allow for child-bearing to happen.  It is an impossibility.  I personally oppose it for those reasons.  As I said in my first post, that doesn't mean I oppose it legally for others.  I have a strong personal opposition to it, but that doesn't mean politically I would oppose it.  I oppose any government involvement in marriage, and so long as government sticks it's nose into our private affairs, such as marrying one another, I support the rights of homosexuals to get married and call it that, even if it's completely against my personal opinions.



 

TruckOSaurus on 09 January 2013
killerzX said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I sure hope you don't have a gay child because he's gonna suffer needlessly.

i wont, and he wont

When did you choose to be straight?



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fordy on 09 January 2013
killerzX said:
fordy said:
killerzX said:
fordy said:
killerzX said:

 

what if he doesnt believe people are born gay?

I know with absolute certainty that when i have children, they wont be gay.

 


No you don't. You'll just be willfully ignorant, because they'd choose not to tell you about it.

And people wonder why the LBGT community has significantly higher rates of suicide...you'd wish that upon your kid?

yes i do. 

anyway i treat homosexuals witht eh exact same dignity and respect as any other person.

they are human beings, and I actually value the sanctity of human life.

 

Believe me, there are plenty of bigots who believe they'll never have gay kids, and those are the ones who generally never find out, because their kids open up to other people, such as helpgroups or suicide hotlines.

So tell me, what's your grand master plan should your child come to you and say they're gay? Disownerment? Excommunication?

And don't tell me your "plan" will work where eveyone else's has failed. Do you also think you're gonna live forever, where nobody else has succeeded? Foolish...

i dont believe people are born gay. i will not have a gay child I can ensure that. 

like i said, i value human life, i will treat them with love and dignity., the same as everybody else.

you are a very mean spirited person.


What you believe and what are actual realities are two completely separate matters. I'm sorry, but you'll have to deal with that sometime through your life.

Some people also believe they can beat their kids. Should we let them do it, because the parents believe in it?

All I can say is, SHOULD your child turn out gay (which you cannot guarantee. I don't care what your beliefs are. They're beliefs and nothing more), I hope that someone else will be around to give them the proper attention, recognition and care that they deserve.



think-man on 09 January 2013
fordy said:
think-man said:
Im not against gay marriage, but I am against gays/lesbians having kids together. It's just not fare on the kids who will have to grow up in a house that is different from 95% of the population.


So you'd prefer them to stay in orphanages where they feel like nobody loves them? What about to hetero couples that always fight, or are physically abusive? Would that be a better place to raise kids?

Im more talking about when they give sperm and have another women bare there child, or lesbians getting a sperm donor to make themselves pregnant.

Nowadays ( Well at least in my country) the familys go through extensive investigation to make sure they are fit to adopt a child, as well as support workers dropping by every couple of weeks to make sure everythings fine.



 

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fordy on 09 January 2013
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:

You should be asking: "In what way are you for or against gay marriage?", as you can have both a personal opinion and an opinion with regard to politics or to the public.  For instance, I answered the poll question as "against" due to me personally being against it, but legally it is an entirely different matter.

My personal feelings are that, within my family, and with regards to raising my children, I will not tolerate homosexual marriage, and it will not be discussed or given any credibility in my home. Homosexual behavior ceases procreation, and therefore it serves no meaningful purpose, and is merely a social act with no significance.

Since government is involved, and that won't be changing anytime soon, my political opinion is that homosexuals cannot be prohibited from a legal marriage, as a government/ paper marriage is meaningless in the eyes of everything except the law, so therefore what does it matter to heterosexuals like myself if homosexuals commit to a legal marriage or not? I don't like it, I never will, but there isn't any reasonable legal basis for prohibiting it.

I should add, though, as I have in other threads about "gay marriage", that it is quite a double-standard for the people who advocate for these so-called "gay rights" when most of them would be horrified at the thought of legalizing plural marriage. I don't see any difference between the two. If marriage is something that is perfectly suitable to non-heterosexual people, why is it so bad for non-monogamous people to be legally wed? You support homosexual rights but not non-monogamous rights?

 

And what would you do if your child told you that they were gay?


He would know that I love him/her and will treat him/her the same as my heterosexual children, but I didn't support his/her lifestyle. 

So tell me more about "meaningless social acts" on this discussion forum involving video games. A little hypocritical, isn't it?

You realise that not everything in life has to have a productive purpose, right? If that were the case, we'd be nothing but robots.

I was referring to the marriage as being a meaningless social act, as the whole purpose of marriage up until the year 2000 was procreation.  A marriage between two people with the same sexual orientation is unnecessary.  The reason a man and woman get married to settle down with one another and start a family.  It's the whole purpose of the human race.  We need to have babies, otherwise we all die out in less than a hundred years.

So where is gay marriage disallowing heterosexual marriages? You're talking like it's a contageous disease or something, where if it's allowed, everyone will want it.

Look around you. Society is FULL of unnecessary things. I mean for gods sake, we have one of the greatest libraries of information ever known at our fingertips, yet plenty still use it to look up pictures of cats!

Besides, would you advocate forced heterosexual marriages if it meant the children were coming into a loveless household?

You must not have read my posts at all.  Nowhere did I say or even imply that gay marriage would disallow heterosexual marriage, I don't know where you're getting that from.  I also don't advocate marriage for anyone.  Do it if you want, otherwise don't do it.  I neither advocate it nor do I oppose it.  Also you're not addressing at all the underlying reason for marriage which is a man and woman having babies, so as to ensure the survival or our species.

It's implied in your response: 

"It's the whole purpose of the human race.  We need to have babies, otherwise we all die out in less than a hundred years."

So tell me, how does gay marriage stop that?

If, on the other hand, your point was to merely point out the use of marriage, how would you explain marriages where having kids are not intended, or sought after? By your logic, marriage should only occur if people INTEND to have children.

As I said, gay marriage is in direct opposition to child-bearing, so fundamentally it is abhorrent because it doesn't even physically allow for child-bearing to happen.  It is an impossibility.  I personally oppose it for those reasons.  As I said in my first post, that doesn't mean I oppose it legally for others.  I have a strong personal opposition to it, but that doesn't mean politically I would oppose it.  I oppose any government involvement in marriage, and so long as government sticks it's nose into our private affairs, such as marrying one another, I support the rights of homosexuals to get married and call it that, even if it's completely against my personal opinions.

and here we go with the circle..

So you're saying...that if gay marriage didn't exist, that gays would give up trying to marry each other, then go into hetero marriages and have kids? Can you REALLY see no flaw in that logic at all?

Besides, that brings me back to my previous question, which I still see unanswered: 

would you advocate forced heterosexual marriages if it meant the children were coming into a loveless household?



killerzX on 09 January 2013
TruckOSaurus said:
killerzX said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I sure hope you don't have a gay child because he's gonna suffer needlessly.

i wont, and he wont

When did you choose to be straight?

same time i chose to live a moral life, and try not to sin.

anyway please dont quote me again, this goes for fordy to. i can tell this is going to be an endless cycle of unresolved disagreements.

bye, i wish you a long and fulfilling life.



Roma on 09 January 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Roma said:
warlord74 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOUR5HPg1Mc

Hard to poke holes in his argument.

that's actually very interesting! I never thought of if you use sperm to get pregnant by an unknown father could lead to you actually having your egg fertilized by your brother!

I thought they registered every person that donated sperm but according to him they don't! that's just disgusting!

you obviously didnt watch the video

what did I misunderstand then?



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