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NobleTeam360 said:
Zkuq said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Hynad said:
NobleTeam360 said:
I agree completely science likes to pretend like they know everything when in reality the know nothing.

That's the most absurd thing I've ever read on VGChartz.

Why what has science really done to benefit humanity in the past 50 years? Sure technology gets better but we would still be hear without it. Only thing science has really helped is making better medicine and even that is estremly limited due to the corrupt nature of the medical business they aren't worried about finding cures only filling their pockets with as much money as they can get. 

Well, you for one wouldn't be complaining here without science...


Talk about a weak argument.

There have been decent scientific advances but have these advance been beneficial for progress?  Sure there are numerous examples you can bring up that are good but you can also bring up numerous "advances" that have actually made the human race worse.  Take automatic transmissions for example.  Sure it might be nice not having to worry about shifting (especially in stop and go traffic) however this has led to a disconnect with the driving experience.  Now people eat, put on make up, text, surf the internet on their smartphone, etc while they drive.  Sure people would still attempt this if they drove stick (which I am guilty of some distractions while driving but lately I've been pretty good except using my phone for phone calls) but they would have a much more difficult time being a shitty driver (not paying attention to the road).  Also, take high fructose corn syrup which has probably helped double diabetes since its introduction.  There are good advances and there are bad "advances".



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SxyxS said:
"I know that I don't know"
socrates

As I'm not socrates I'm pretty satisfied to know as much as he did.

btw. who cares about how hot the sun is inside and what would change if we find out that the temp. is just 1mio calvin and not 2.7mio?

Einsteins theory fails to explain the gravity balance of 2 objects and tests have shown that several effects are faster than the speed of light or the "ehrenfest paradox " had proven without doubt in 1909 that einsteins relativity is wrong but his theory seems to work well in other fields.wheres the problem?
according to heissenberg you can't observe subatomic experiments without changing the original result,because the
observing is changing the result of the experiment.

before we start to
care about our knowledge we first should find out why most of us even don't know who the most intelligent guy on this planet was(nikola tesla,thank you for electricity,radio,robotics RC)

Heisenberg states that observation causes the partial wave-form collapse, which is the result. Prior to observation a result is not known - stating that it changed is not true at all, a deterministic outcome was not yet formed.

As to the errenfest paradox, Hrvoje Nikolic points out that the paradox disappears when (in accordance with general theory of relativity) each piece of the rotating disk is treated separately, as living in his own local non-inertial frame.

I will agree about Telsa.



sethnintendo said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Zkuq said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Hynad said:

 

 

 

 

There have been decent scientific advances but have these advance been beneficial for progress?  Sure there are numerous examples you can bring up that are good but you can also bring up numerous "advances" that have actually made the human race worse.  Take automatic transmissions for example.  Sure it might be nice not having to worry about shifting (especially in stop and go traffic) however this has led to a disconnect with the driving experience.  Now people eat, put on make up, text, surf the internet on their smartphone, etc while they drive.  Sure people would still attempt this if they drove stick (which I am guilty of some distractions while driving but lately I've been pretty good except using my phone for phone calls) but they would have a much more difficult time being a shitty driver (not paying attention to the road).  Also, take high fructose corn syrup which has probably helped double diabetes since its introduction.  There are good advances and there are bad "advances".

I think you are mixing science with technology (applications of science).

Science by definition is the study of nature and essentially the universe. When a scientist performs a scientific analysis, he does it (or at least should do) to extend the knowledge we already have.

The application of science is a completely different aspect that can be used either for the benefit or harm of humanity and is left up to the individuals in question. For example nuclear fission was first discovered by Otto Hahn (and a few others) while trying to better understand radioactivity. It was later used to produce electricity in nuclear power plants (which is good) but also used to produce the nuclear bombs to kill many people (which is bad).

So although the applications of science can be good or bad, the acquisition of knowledge (which is science) in itself is a good thing as I imagine everyone would agree.



 

Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Mazty said:
BenVTrigger said:

In terms of the Scientific method.  We have very little factual proof of anything.  You hear things thrown around like their facts and that we "know things".

 

But when you use the scientific method you quickly realize its almost all hypothesis and theories.

Even basic things.  We dont actually even know what the center of the Earthis made of.  Sure weve got some good ideas but we dont actually know.

I just thought it was interesting how we don't really know anything......like seriously we dont know anything about the universe as much as some scientists will try to convince you they do.

That's just wrong.

We know a lot. Go to a hospital. Go into a university. 

Saying we don't know what is thousands of miles benath us in some of the most hostile considitions fathomable is just....not proving anything.

Bottom line, its "the best educated guess". Not a 100% confirmed fact. 

I guess what the OP was trying to say was that we know a lot of best fit theories but the confirmed facts that we know are relatively small. 


Yes & no.

We know the core of the earth is solid. Thanks to unchanging laws of physics, this is something we can say is a fact and not a theory. 



NobleTeam360 said:
Zkuq said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Hynad said:
NobleTeam360 said:
I agree completely science likes to pretend like they know everything when in reality the know nothing.

That's the most absurd thing I've ever read on VGChartz.

Why what has science really done to benefit humanity in the past 50 years? Sure technology gets better but we would still be hear without it. Only thing science has really helped is making better medicine and even that is estremly limited due to the corrupt nature of the medical business they aren't worried about finding cures only filling their pockets with as much money as they can get. 

Well, you for one wouldn't be complaining here without science...


Talk about a weak argument.

You clearly don't know any scientists. They are fully aware of what we do and do not know.



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NobleTeam360 said:
Zkuq said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Hynad said:
NobleTeam360 said:
I agree completely science likes to pretend like they know everything when in reality the know nothing.

That's the most absurd thing I've ever read on VGChartz.

Why what has science really done to benefit humanity in the past 50 years? Sure technology gets better but we would still be hear without it. Only thing science has really helped is making better medicine and even that is estremly limited due to the corrupt nature of the medical business they aren't worried about finding cures only filling their pockets with as much money as they can get. 

Well, you for one wouldn't be complaining here without science...

Talk about a weak argument.

I take it you don't consider computers a beneficial invention for mankind? Also, I don't exactly see how your argument wasn't a weak one. We'd probably still be here even if NOTHING at all was ever invented or researched. Well, I guess we'd have to have spears or something similar... But really, that's about it. There's not much more mankind really needed to survive.



I've thought the same thing for a while now. Very good observation OP.



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Roma said:

we believe in unproven theories cus that's real prof until it's proven false and a new theory is the new proof



I don't think you have an appreciation for how theories work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory#Characteristics_of_theories



Q.E.D this thread.



Mazty said:
Kantor said:
Well of course not. We don't KNOW anything in any field because technically it's impossible to ever know anything. We could all just be deluding ourselves and making the exact same logical error.

But that way of thinking is silly and pointless and so we avoid it.

The important thing is that science has given us a far better idea of what surrounds us than we would otherwise have, certainly far better than what religion has given us. And you don't need a thermometer to measure temperature; it would just melt if it went anywhere near the sun.


? Why is it impossible to know anything? From a scientific viewpoint, that's just wrong, and from a philosophical one, it's still wrong. 


You, yourself, quoted Descartes. If all that we know exists is ourselves ("I think, therefore, I am"), then absolutely nothing else has to be true. We could be being deceived by a "great deceiver".