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KylieDog said:
bouzane said:
KylieDog said:
bouzane said:
KylieDog said:


...but you aren't protecting a minority, you're putting lethal things into the hands of masses when it is proven more and more as time goes on that the masses are not responsible.


No offense but I'm glad that you don't have any power. The people need weapons to be able to resist their government if the need ever arises.


Take this nonsense elsewhere.  The time of civil war in first world countries like the US is long gone.


Weren't Germany and Italy developed nations when the fascists seized power? Want a more recent example, how about Yugoslavia? Sorry but saying "not here, not now" doesn't make the problem go away. No offense but your belief that the public should disarm and hand all power over to an increasingly corrupt government is absolutely ludicrous.


When I said take the nonsense elsewhere, I didn't mean post more of it.  Unless your last post was a joke?  In which case, haha, good one.


Sorry but if you believe that American citizens have nothing to fear from their government and that gun prohibition would be either possible to implement, or a viable solution to violent crime than you are as naive as a small child. What more can I say? Gun prohibition would be impossible to implement, there is no denying that. Gun prohibition would do little if anything to prevent violent crime and I challenge you to prove otherwise. Finally, how can you fail to see that the American people are being robbed of their liberties by those who would have them enslaved? Do you think that the powers that be are going to reverse course and everything is going to get better? I brought up Yugoslavia because that republic was stable until they developed crushing debt which set off a whole host of economic issues that exacerbated their long-standing racial and nationalist tensions. How about contributing something to the discussion by actually rebutting my points instead of posting such drivel as that's "nonsense / a joke". Sorry but this isn't some magical ideal world and America isn't immune to the problems that other nations have faced over the years. The American people have something to fear in their government and they are the only ones capable of / willing to defend themselves and firearms are their only means to do so.



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KylieDog said:
bouzane said:
KylieDog said:


...but you aren't protecting a minority, you're putting lethal things into the hands of masses when it is proven more and more as time goes on that the masses are not responsible.


No offense but I'm glad that you don't have any power. The people need weapons to be able to resist their government if the need ever arises.


Take this nonsense elsewhere.  The time of civil war in first world countries like the US is long gone.

Why is that? The U.S is a very divided country on many matters. 

Not to say we can't find ways to settle differences without civil war, but better be safe than sorry the saying goes. I'd rather have weapons and not need to use them than need to use them and not have them. 

 

Or do you mean there's no such thing as tyranny? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act_of_1978_Amendments_Act_of_2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_and_Transportation_Security_Act

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege



KylieDog said:
Kasz216 said:

Maybe in another 40 years he'll realize there are things called constitutional amendments that are supposed to be used to change things in the constitution that no longer are of use.


Like everyone needing a gun?


Oh no.  Statistically speaking gun ownership seems to be very useful if you look at the evidence.  There is a reason why there are so few pro-gun control advocates left and they have to very carefully parse what statistics they use.

In terms of the US at the very least, which has a naturally high crime rate.  Gun ownership has been shown to be extremely beneficial... even just the possibility that you own a gun.

Places like Harvard actually make the case through research that it's counter  productive internationally.

In general gun control advocated fly in the face of scientific reason... as is often the case with people who claim "common sense" arguements. 

Like people who disagree with evolution because "It's common sense, i was never a monkey."



KylieDog said:

Take this nonsense elsewhere.  The time of civil war in first world countries like the US is long gone.


This is a domestic agency, not for foreign combat.

Drones. Drones EVERYWHERE.

Papers, please.

I said: papers, please.

Who needs a trial?

At least I can read what I want.

I'd argue that there's more a case for gun rights than ever before.



yea lets do away with it. it stopped working yrr.'s ago. it's not about the people any more. it's about power. it was always about power. the corrupt run this country, and that will never change.

it's all about an agenda, and it doesn't include the people. it never included the people.



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Are there problems with the US government? Sure, and some of the issues mentioned by the author are kind of ridiculous, but I don't think this is a reason to throw out the Constitution completely.



Kasz216 said:
KylieDog said:
Kasz216 said:

Maybe in another 40 years he'll realize there are things called constitutional amendments that are supposed to be used to change things in the constitution that no longer are of use.


Like everyone needing a gun?


Oh no.  Statistically speaking gun ownership seems to be very useful if you look at the evidence.  There is a reason why there are so few pro-gun control advocates left and they have to very carefully parse what statistics they use.

In terms of the US at the very least, which has a naturally high crime rate.  Gun ownership has been shown to be extremely beneficial... even just the possibility that you own a gun.

Places like Harvard actually make the case through research that it's counter  productive internationally.

In general gun control advocated fly in the face of scientific reason... as is often the case with people who claim "common sense" arguements. 

Like people who disagree with evolution because "It's common sense, i was never a monkey."

I never payed much attention to the gun control debate, but that argument always perplexed me, particularly when its scientific-minded people making the argument.



GameOver22 said:
Kasz216 said:
KylieDog said:
Kasz216 said:

Maybe in another 40 years he'll realize there are things called constitutional amendments that are supposed to be used to change things in the constitution that no longer are of use.


Like everyone needing a gun?


Oh no.  Statistically speaking gun ownership seems to be very useful if you look at the evidence.  There is a reason why there are so few pro-gun control advocates left and they have to very carefully parse what statistics they use.

In terms of the US at the very least, which has a naturally high crime rate.  Gun ownership has been shown to be extremely beneficial... even just the possibility that you own a gun.

Places like Harvard actually make the case through research that it's counter  productive internationally.

In general gun control advocated fly in the face of scientific reason... as is often the case with people who claim "common sense" arguements. 

Like people who disagree with evolution because "It's common sense, i was never a monkey."

I never payed much attention to the gun control debate, but that argument always perplexed me, particularly when its scientific-minded people making the argument.

I largely blame it on the fact that I think there are actully very few scientific minded people out there, and a lot of people who use science to advance their own agendas.  After proving  a couple of their views scientifically accurate they feel it gives them an authorative high ground where further positions need no sceintific reasoning, and in fact, those arguements that are scientific against it must be fabricated.  Even if they can't point out where the flaw in the study lies, or point to a more accurate one.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

seems like a fair enough overhead on it without getting technical.



all i see is the country moving further and further away from the constitution year after year, and things just keep getting worse and worse. I haven't seen anything even slightly convincing that shows me that the constitution is the problem, but i'm constantly reminded how not following it has caused so many problems.



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can way stop this gun ban nonsense. It's not possible to ban guns in the US even if you thought it would help. There are too many guns, even if you tried to confiscate them you could never get most of them, and many people would be killed trying to do it. For this reason alone i don't know why there is so much discussion about it. Besides that i don't see any evidence that it would even help.



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