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Will Nextbox have a Blu-Ray drive?

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DirtyP2002 on 02 January 2013
dsgrue3 said:
DirtyP2002 said:

HD-DVD was not a MS product. That was Toshiba. 
And Sony pays royalties to MS for using BluRay, because it uses one of MS patents. MS did not and will not lose anything.

Microsoft has no patents on bluray technology, they were supporting HD-DVD, you are completely clueless.


Clueless?! BluRay uses Microsoft Software for compression!

"For video, all players are required to support H.262/MPEG-2 Part 2, H.264/MPEG-4 Part 10: AVC, and SMPTE VC-1.[112] MPEG-2 is the compression standard used on regular DVDs, which allows backwards compatibility. MPEG-4 AVC was developed by MPEG, Sony, and VCEG. VC-1 is a compression standard that was mainly developed by Microsoft."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BluRay

Do you think MS did develop this for charity and gave to to the BDA?

Sure MS supported HD-DVD, but they had no big investment in it at all.



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zhao3gold on 02 January 2013

In this Gen, there is no issue for MS to use Blu-ray disc after HD-DVD failed but it just didn't fit for their strategy because they are pushing hard the streaming service to the audience.

Nextxbox will use Blu-ray to be the game disc because there will be no any extra investment for MS to develop a new or equal disc format.



dsgrue3 on 02 January 2013
DirtyP2002 said:
dsgrue3 said:
DirtyP2002 said:

HD-DVD was not a MS product. That was Toshiba. 
And Sony pays royalties to MS for using BluRay, because it uses one of MS patents. MS did not and will not lose anything.

Microsoft has no patents on bluray technology, they were supporting HD-DVD, you are completely clueless.


Clueless?! BluRay uses Microsoft Software for compression!

"For video, all players are required to support H.262/MPEG-2 Part 2, H.264/MPEG-4 Part 10: AVC, and SMPTE VC-1.[112] MPEG-2 is the compression standard used on regular DVDs, which allows backwards compatibility. MPEG-4 AVC was developed by MPEG, Sony, and VCEG. VC-1 is a compression standard that was mainly developed by Microsoft."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BluRay

Do you think MS did develop this for charity and gave to to the BDA?

Sure MS supported HD-DVD, but they had no big investment in it at all.

There are no less than 16 separate companies that are deemed to have patents that are essential for VC-1 to work

Effectively Microsoft has been mugged by the attempt to make its VC-1 technology a standard through the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers. In so doing it had to reveal how its codec technology worked, and offer a license, and in going to the respected MPEG LA as a patent pool agent, it exposed its technology to all the know how that went into licensing the MPEG 2 and MPEG 4 Level 10 AVC/H.264 codec that has stolen the market.

Usually all of the combatants (essential patent holders) will argue for some basis or other for splitting the royalty stream, and these rules are not public and they are not always the same. But as a general principle the more patents you hold, the bigger your slice of the patent pool pie. Now that's not absolute, but it can be an indicator.

On that basis every company except Telenor and Sharp will end up getting more money when VC-1 is used, than Microsoft. Of course Microsoft can charge what it likes for any software implementation of its own, but since it has always chosen to (give away) its codec with its media player, this means that it has to cover any licensing bill for patents out of virtually zero direct revenue.



animegaming on 02 January 2013
walsufnir said:
Another question: do you think bluray will have a successor? In my opinion bluray will be the last iteration of an optical disc format?


i think we will just go to streaming movies and TV shows next 



SvennoJ on 03 January 2013
walsufnir said:
Another question: do you think bluray will have a successor? In my opinion bluray will be the last iteration of an optical disc format?

HVD is still in development although it's not going well. Yet 4K movies are coming sooner or later so it's very possible.
There is only 1 4K movie out atm that I know of, Timescapes. The 12bit 4K version comes on a HDD, 120gb file for a 52 minute documentary. That's 315mbps, 6x the max transfer rate of a blu-ray movie. Now since I have trouble streaming 5mbps consistently atm I think another disc format would be useful. It will be a while before 500mbps internet will be standard worldwide.

It could be that hvd will be passed for ssd cards (The new SDXC card format specification has already reached the 2TB mark) but pressing disks is always cheaper then manufacturing ssd cards I would think. 8 layer blu-ray disks at 200gb should be sufficient for 4K movies as well. Though a 4tb hvd disk would solve the need for multiple disks for a long time, Lotr extended edition in 4K with all extras on 1 disk :)



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walsufnir on 03 January 2013
SvennoJ said:
walsufnir said:
Another question: do you think bluray will have a successor? In my opinion bluray will be the last iteration of an optical disc format?

HVD is still in development although it's not going well. Yet 4K movies are coming sooner or later so it's very possible.
There is only 1 4K movie out atm that I know of, Timescapes. The 12bit 4K version comes on a HDD, 120gb file for a 52 minute documentary. That's 315mbps, 6x the max transfer rate of a blu-ray movie. Now since I have trouble streaming 5mbps consistently atm I think another disc format would be useful. It will be a while before 500mbps internet will be standard worldwide.

It could be that hvd will be passed for ssd cards (The new SDXC card format specification has already reached the 2TB mark) but pressing disks is always cheaper then manufacturing ssd cards I would think. 8 layer blu-ray disks at 200gb should be sufficient for 4K movies as well. Though a 4tb hvd disk would solve the need for multiple disks for a long time, Lotr extended edition in 4K with all extras on 1 disk :)


you don't have to use ssds: A simple rom, made of flash, would definitely be sufficient. And it could help preventing copying the content as the controller of this rom could contain logic with drm. You wouldn't need highspeed-flash (compared to current ssds) which makes it even cheaper. No issues with scratches (which get even worse with higher density) and the players could be way smaller and of course remain silent while playing.

Streaming 4k is way off by now, sure. But the internet will surely also evolve and 4k is, by now, future and absolutely high-end - to get it reach mass-market will take years from now.



slowmo on 03 January 2013
pezus said:
slowmo said:
It will use Bluray.

HD-DVD wasn't supported by Microsoft, it simply used their codecs and I'm guessing the 360 HD-DVD drive was built as they didn't have to pay expensive royalties and the drives were cheaper to manufacture. It may also be that they wouldn't be allowed to use Bluray without having HDCP which wasn't available on the original non HDMI model 360's.

The reason they will have the Bluray drive next gen is the disks are far more resilient, they'll want to further push into the media centre market and finally the faster speed of modern Bluray drives make them a sensible format to choose now.

On August 22, 2005, the Blu-ray Disc Association and DVD Forum announced that the negotiations to unify their standards had failed.[17] Rumors surfaced that talks had stalled; publicly, the same reasons of physical format incompatibility were cited.[15][18] By the end of September that year, Microsoft and Intel jointly announced their support for HD DVD.

My history was fogged but it appears their support included supporting their own codecs that were used in HD-DVD natively in Windows Vista and also producing a addon for the 360.  They also provided not only the codecs but the interactive menu software.  I guess my idea of support is pumping money into the format but in literal terms they did support HD-DVD.  I would add they also had their VC-1 codec written into Bluray specifications too although it has subsequently been rejected by most companies due to it's closed nature in favour of open source solutions that can be used to produce mobile versions too for example.