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Dr.Grass on 30 December 2012
spurgeonryan said:
Fixed your last sentence. " Don't make me'at your ebony".


I would be grateful for an explanation(?).

Except - of course - if there isn't (a proper) one.



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PrimeBigTime on 30 December 2012
dahuman said:
PrimeBigTime said:
dahuman said:
Some people just have too much time on their hands, if he grew up hungry as shit then he'll eat whatever he can get his hands on including all the meats! :) I'm also pro-cannibalism if we have nothing left to eat for survival for as long as it's fully cooked. The problem is also if all we eat only plants and don't touch animals, we'd run into another problem which would result in overall lower vegetation on the planet which would fuck our human eco system which would end result in pro-hunting and meat eating lol. I think we have a pretty good balance so far.

You'll also excuse me if I don't care about cows being raped by metal insertions if it gives people jobs and give grown ups something to drink since we don't exactly want to suck on our women's tits after they got a baby in them, goat milk is better than cow milk BTW, we should just go that route in the masses IMO.


I understand people's desire to eat meat but with mass production, little thought is given to animal welfare.  We've gone too far with the torture and suffering of animals.  With our technological know-how we can alleviate the suffering, and people can still have their meat and dairy.  Unfortunately it's people like you who say "I don't care about..." that make the problem worse.  That's the number one problem of socity today (selfishness, arrogance, greed...)


hahahahaha, they are not humans, they are our food stock, have you ever looked at a piece of chocolate and go "poor trees, I hope they didn't chop you down like a piece of trash and then gets processed into this tasty powder with the end result of the sweet thick nectar that's about to go into my mouth!" A facility like you are describing requires a lot of money and maintenance, people wouldn't be able to make a profit that way and the prices would sky rocket and fuck our economy even further, it's non-sensical. I don't care if it's animals or plants, I'll consume them so I can live, I was taught to leave no food behind because I was raised by after-war people and not the US where wars haven't existed since the mid 1800s. I know the value of food, and I'm a full predator.

To address your comment about all that money, maintenance and screwing up our economy issue, realize that many people prefer organic, healthy and humane-slaughtered meat. There is a movement to get more of it on our plates rather than having large corporations feeding us drug-filled, abused meat.  Read more here:

http://www.certifiedhumane.org/index.php

Right now over 7,000 supermarkets sell certified humane. They are still in business as as are the companies who slaughter the animals. Interesting take on the whole fear-mongering-we-must-abuse-animals-to-save-the-economy viewpoint.  What do you think?



PrimeBigTime on 30 December 2012
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Porcupine_I said:
zero129 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
zero129 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Ultr said:
 

 

 

 

 

This is a fact. Show me a video of 1 cow being lead to its death and going willingly..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV-0rTaJiWw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It wouldn't go, if it weren't tasered to start with. 

This +10,000

you wanted to see a video of a cow that is led to its dead and i provided you with one. it goes willingly, it is not being tasered, it is gently pushed and just walks along willingly, it is not in panic and obviously does not realize what happens to it.

could it be that you have not even watched the video?

 

I watched the video and what you are showing is a humane method of slaughter.  That's not what we are talking about. Mass slaughterhouses are a completely different story.  It's a well-known fact (amongst us who don't take animal abuse lightly) that cows can sense death. They can smell it in the air and they can hear the moans of those dying ahead of them.  In addition, the methods of killing in mass slaughterhouses are ineffectual because oftentimes in a frenzied state, cows will not go down with one shock or slug to the head.  There are numerous documented cases of animals being butchered or skinned alive because the kill zone didn't do their job right, but the large corporations don't care about the animals they care about every penny they can squeeze out of production.  That means minimal compliance with FDA standards.  So if regulations state one shock or slug is enough, then that's all they get, regardless if they have been properly put down, because the regulations do not stipulate that animals must be certified dead when they go through the plant.

Do some research and it will open your eyes. I've been studying this for 22 years now and have read more horror stories and have seen more videos than you can imagine.



dahuman on 30 December 2012
Dr.Grass said:
dahuman said:
Dr.Grass said:
dahuman said:
Some people just have too much time on their hands, if he grew up hungry as shit then he'll eat whatever he can get his hands on including all the meats! :) I'm also pro-cannibalism if we have nothing left to eat for survival for as long as it's fully cooked. The problem is also if all we eat only plants and don't touch animals, we'd run into another problem which would result in overall lower vegetation on the planet which would fuck our human eco system which would end result in pro-hunting and meat eating lol. I think we have a pretty good balance so far.

You'll also excuse me if I don't care about cows being raped by metal insertions if it gives people jobs and give grown ups something to drink since we don't exactly want to suck on our women's tits after they got a baby in them, goat milk is better than cow milk BTW, we should just go that route in the masses IMO.


Are you people really that poorly informed!?

I CAN LIVE ALL YEAR ROUND on 10 square meters of land!

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY RESOURCES A SINGLE KG OF STEAK REQUIRES!!?

(I'm screaming because you wouldn't hear me otherwise)


I'm so happy for you that you live at a place where weather conditions or poor harvest doesn't effect you, just because you stopped eating meat, it won't change that humans will still need to develope and expand, and I'm pretty sure nobody herds for charity, animals will still die as we expand into their territories in great numbers, 8 billion and still increasing, moving right along. :)

Oh how I wish I could debate a person like you in a public forum. Oh for the days of yonder.

I suppose I will take my mind elsewhere. Least persons like you shit all over it with your philosophy of selfness. It is a very sad predicament indeed when a person isn't able to distance his own actions from the philosophy behind them.

No one believes they are conditioned. That sentance rings with a resonant truth.

You clearly just have as much ego as I do, just on different sides of the fence, if it makes your feel superior and better than me, so be it, but if the world goes to shit in our life time, you will be among the first to go out of natural selection, you can mark my words on it.



dahuman on 30 December 2012
PrimeBigTime said:
dahuman said:
PrimeBigTime said:
dahuman said:
Some people just have too much time on their hands, if he grew up hungry as shit then he'll eat whatever he can get his hands on including all the meats! :) I'm also pro-cannibalism if we have nothing left to eat for survival for as long as it's fully cooked. The problem is also if all we eat only plants and don't touch animals, we'd run into another problem which would result in overall lower vegetation on the planet which would fuck our human eco system which would end result in pro-hunting and meat eating lol. I think we have a pretty good balance so far.

You'll also excuse me if I don't care about cows being raped by metal insertions if it gives people jobs and give grown ups something to drink since we don't exactly want to suck on our women's tits after they got a baby in them, goat milk is better than cow milk BTW, we should just go that route in the masses IMO.


I understand people's desire to eat meat but with mass production, little thought is given to animal welfare.  We've gone too far with the torture and suffering of animals.  With our technological know-how we can alleviate the suffering, and people can still have their meat and dairy.  Unfortunately it's people like you who say "I don't care about..." that make the problem worse.  That's the number one problem of socity today (selfishness, arrogance, greed...)


hahahahaha, they are not humans, they are our food stock, have you ever looked at a piece of chocolate and go "poor trees, I hope they didn't chop you down like a piece of trash and then gets processed into this tasty powder with the end result of the sweet thick nectar that's about to go into my mouth!" A facility like you are describing requires a lot of money and maintenance, people wouldn't be able to make a profit that way and the prices would sky rocket and fuck our economy even further, it's non-sensical. I don't care if it's animals or plants, I'll consume them so I can live, I was taught to leave no food behind because I was raised by after-war people and not the US where wars haven't existed since the mid 1800s. I know the value of food, and I'm a full predator.

To address your comment about all that money, maintenance and screwing up our economy issue, realize that many people prefer organic, healthy and humane-slaughtered meat. There is a movement to get more of it on our plates rather than having large corporations feeding us drug-filled, abused meat.  Read more here:

http://www.certifiedhumane.org/index.php

Right now over 7,000 supermarkets sell certified humane. They are still in business as as are the companies who slaughter the animals. Interesting take on the whole fear-mongering-we-must-abuse-animals-to-save-the-economy viewpoint.  What do you think?


Oh I agree with that, no argument there. I'll take local and healthy stuff over corporate bullshit any day. I live in a state where I have access to about 50 local farmer's markets near me.



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Majora on 30 December 2012
zero129 said:
Majora said:
zero129 said:
So i guess i win then and you accept that i was right max and that animals can think and are conscious just like us?
been awhile now and nothing from you. bit hard to disagree with science i guess...


It's like your goal is to antagonise. I can't say what I want too in case you report me so I'll leave it there. This thread on the most part is lunacy.

My goal is not to Antagonise anyone. If they feel they are being antagonised by what im saying maybe that is cos deep inside they know its the truth and they just dont want to admit animals can think too!.

Also it depends on what you would have to say in other for me to report you. But if it was you calling me any type of names or degrading me in anyway keep that to yourself as yes then i would report you and would be right in doing so.

That's annoying in itself. Maybe deep down inside they know the truth?! Again, I can't say anything. So I won't.



slowmo on 30 December 2012
zero129 said:
Majora said:
zero129 said:
So i guess i win then and you accept that i was right max and that animals can think and are conscious just like us?
been awhile now and nothing from you. bit hard to disagree with science i guess...


It's like your goal is to antagonise. I can't say what I want too in case you report me so I'll leave it there. This thread on the most part is lunacy.

My goal is not to Antagonise anyone. If they feel they are being antagonised by what im saying maybe that is cos deep inside they know its the truth and they just dont want to admit animals can think too!.

Also it depends on what you would have to say in other for me to report you. But if it was you calling me any type of names or degrading me in anyway keep that to yourself as yes then i would report you and would be right in doing so.

The bolded is why you're coming across as acting ignorant to some of us, I've seen very few people tell you how to live your life but you're in here making wild accusations to everyone else that are simply not true.  I'll be honest your conduct in the thread is appalling, you've done nothing but attack people for not sharing your views IMO.  You've been degrading people all through this thread.



Majora on 30 December 2012
zero129 said:
Majora said:
zero129 said:
Majora said:
zero129 said:
So i guess i win then and you accept that i was right max and that animals can think and are conscious just like us?
been awhile now and nothing from you. bit hard to disagree with science i guess...


It's like your goal is to antagonise. I can't say what I want too in case you report me so I'll leave it there. This thread on the most part is lunacy.

My goal is not to Antagonise anyone. If they feel they are being antagonised by what im saying maybe that is cos deep inside they know its the truth and they just dont want to admit animals can think too!.

Also it depends on what you would have to say in other for me to report you. But if it was you calling me any type of names or degrading me in anyway keep that to yourself as yes then i would report you and would be right in doing so.

That's annoying in itself. Maybe deep down inside they know the truth?! Again, I can't say anything. So I won't.

Except you just did say something. The is nothing annoying about what i said.

Please show me Proof that, Cows, Dogs, chickens, monkeys, Lots of fish Whales, Sharks Dolphins etc etc have no consciousness or cant think??.

If you can i will take back this whole thread.....

Btw i can find you lots of links pointing out how animals very much do seem to have a consciousness and do feel things.

But if you cant reply back to me and have a real conversation, but instead feel like you would need to start trying to degrade me and call me names (seems to be the case since you keep saying i wont write back in fear of getting reported and thats the only reasons i would report you so i guess this is the case) then your right dont write back.

Nah see now you're just playing the fool. I meant I can't say anything that I want to say. Don't be pedantic. And if I tell you what you say I find annoying don't tell me it's not. To me it is annoying. End of. Degrading you? What others would call banter I can imagine you finding degrading. It's funny how you people wan to shout your opinions from the rooftop but anyone disagrees they are either immoral, wrong and insulting. I find it insulting that you think being pissed at what you say means that people secrely 'know' its true.



Majora on 30 December 2012

You just sprout off rubbish that has clearly gotten to you. Anything you've said or will say just - well it's like arguing with a religious person. There's nothing I can say, there's no rhyme or reason. Just have a nice life, yeah?



slowmo on 30 December 2012
zero129 said:
slowmo said:
zero129 said:
Majora said:
zero129 said:
So i guess i win then and you accept that i was right max and that animals can think and are conscious just like us?
been awhile now and nothing from you. bit hard to disagree with science i guess...


It's like your goal is to antagonise. I can't say what I want too in case you report me so I'll leave it there. This thread on the most part is lunacy.

My goal is not to Antagonise anyone. If they feel they are being antagonised by what im saying maybe that is cos deep inside they know its the truth and they just dont want to admit animals can think too!.

Also it depends on what you would have to say in other for me to report you. But if it was you calling me any type of names or degrading me in anyway keep that to yourself as yes then i would report you and would be right in doing so.

The bolded is why you're coming across as acting ignorant to some of us, I've seen very few people tell you how to live your life but you're in here making wild accusations to everyone else that are simply not true.  I'll be honest your conduct in the thread is appalling, you've done nothing but attack people for not sharing your views IMO.  You've been degrading people all through this thread.

Nope im not being ignorant to any of you. I already said i understand some will eat meat no matter what. All im doing is pointing out to them what they are eating can think and feel and most likely does have a conscious. But others are trying to downplay this or say i am wrong. I have shown proof to back up my claims yet the ones saying i am wrong have done no such think!.

Look if you want to eat meat and be blinded to the fact you are eating another living being that can think and feel things well thats up to you. But Dont try to tell me animals cant feel or think when i know very well that they can. Its common sense if you think about it and now the is people in science agreeing with me.

Also i have attacked no one but if you would like to point out how i have please go ahard.

Another incorrect assumption, I'm perfectly aware of what I'm eating having worked in a abattoir.  If it makes you feel better, if push came to shove and we were stranded on a desert island together then you'd get a rock to the back of the head and I'd dine like a king for a few days.

You've stated sharks have feelings/consciousness then not actually backed up that statement.  I'd be interested to know your defense of a creature where the mother eats their own young to help recover from birth.  The fact they are hundreds of million of years old and have a brain built purely to hunt on instinct.  You can't make sweeping statements without proof then say to everyone prove me wrong, its terrible debating.