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killerzX said:
sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.


well the thing is any able body person can be a militia.... me with my guns is a militia. so i agree. i should be able to keep my Ak-47, AK-74, SCAR-17s, Glock 19 gen 4, Glock 19, Glock 17, Henry Repeater, AR-15, Mossberg 500, and smith and wesson .38 special. i just need more ammo, i only have ~1500 7.62 rounds, 700 .308 rounds, 1000 9mm rounds, 1200 5.45 rounds, 300 5.56. im running low

I was referring to a "well-regulated militia." We'd of course have to define what "well-regulated" means, but I think that is something that the states can decide, not the federal government. However; at the very least it will bring a mindset of responsible gun-ownership to the table and it would likely boost membership in unofficial, organized militias separate from the state militia (national guard.) 



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killerzX said:
Sal.Paradise said:

 

Meanwhile, back at the NRA press conference, LaPierre was blaming anything and everything for the Sandy Hook massacre except guns.

 

 

weird, because i could have sworn, some guy named adam lanza commited mass murder....


Yeah, and he committed mass murder...with a gun. The weapon is kind of important, as it can effect how deadly an individual can be. You don't hear about too many massacres being carried out with knives these days. China actually had a spat of knifings a few years ago and the highest death toll out of any of them was...eight. If only the people of Sandy Hook had been that lucky, they'd at least be burying fewer kids.


In any case, I do agree with the NRA: every school needs to have at least one armed, highly trained police officer on grounds at all times. With today's gun laws that could at least help deter gunmen looking for easy targets, and hopefully even stop these sorts of things while they are happening.

That being said, armed police officers and better mental healthcare is a poor substitute for genuine gun control legislation, and the NRA knows it. We NEED better gun laws in this country. We don't need access to thirty round clips and automatic weapons. We don't need loop holes in our background checks.



sc94597 said:
LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.

I'm sorry, America needs a militia?

A militia. Guns are so out of control you need to hire or just gather a group of gun owners to protect against other gun owners form shooting each other. That will end well.

This thread is ridiculous! 

Educate yourself on the matter and you'll understand. The founding fathers were proponents of militias INSTEAD of a standing military. The militias are there for many reasons. The most important one in today's context is during riots. The main argument for keeping automatic and semi-automatic weapons among the populace is that they acted as protection during the LA riots (and similar.) With militias this makes a non-governmental military body. It must be non-government so that they can't be used to oppress the people.  Look at countries like Switzerland where homicides are nearly non-existant, because instead of a standing military they have a militia, and hence have gun regulation without the harmful effects of gun laws and it without a government monopoly on the weapons. Banning guns entirely won't get rid of the 300 million that are out there. When political states like the UK and Australia banned guns only a few hundreds of thousands were meant to be destroyed.  There are 90 guns for every 100 people in the U.S. It is unfeasible to destroy them or cofiscate even a small minority, especially when the owners are so commited to their natural rights and wouldn't give up their weapons without massive conflicts. The best solution is to promote education and regulation via the militias, which are entirely organized by the people and society. 

Weird, we had riots recently (in the UK), no guns were fired, no deaths. Also are auto rifles needed during a riot? Surely maybe riot shields, then water cannons can be used before you start shooting people?

I know it is impossible to destroy what is it 30% of the worlds guns, but still. Since the shooting, gun sales in the US have gone up! Really!!

And when Americans start using a 200-300 year old document to excuse owning a gun is dumb. I'm sure your founding fathers wanted you to kill school kids.

Also according to the BBC there are 7 places to buy guns compared to McDonalds. That's a normal balance!



killerzX said:
sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.


well the thing is any able body person can be a militia.... me with my guns is a militia. so i agree. i should be able to keep my Ak-47, AK-74, SCAR-17s, Glock 19 gen 4, Glock 19, Glock 17, Henry Repeater, AR-15, Mossberg 500, and smith and wesson .38 special. i just need more ammo, i only have ~1500 7.62 rounds, 700 .308 rounds, 1000 9mm rounds, 1200 5.45 rounds, 300 5.56. im running low

Is that really your gun collection?

That alone is reason for some form of gun control/law. Do you really need all them weapons, the answer is no.

No wonder you defend gun rights so much, your a fucking gun nut!



LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:
LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.

I'm sorry, America needs a militia?

A militia. Guns are so out of control you need to hire or just gather a group of gun owners to protect against other gun owners form shooting each other. That will end well.

This thread is ridiculous! 

Educate yourself on the matter and you'll understand. The founding fathers were proponents of militias INSTEAD of a standing military. The militias are there for many reasons. The most important one in today's context is during riots. The main argument for keeping automatic and semi-automatic weapons among the populace is that they acted as protection during the LA riots (and similar.) With militias this makes a non-governmental military body. It must be non-government so that they can't be used to oppress the people.  Look at countries like Switzerland where homicides are nearly non-existant, because instead of a standing military they have a militia, and hence have gun regulation without the harmful effects of gun laws and it without a government monopoly on the weapons. Banning guns entirely won't get rid of the 300 million that are out there. When political states like the UK and Australia banned guns only a few hundreds of thousands were meant to be destroyed.  There are 90 guns for every 100 people in the U.S. It is unfeasible to destroy them or cofiscate even a small minority, especially when the owners are so commited to their natural rights and wouldn't give up their weapons without massive conflicts. The best solution is to promote education and regulation via the militias, which are entirely organized by the people and society. 

Weird, we had riots recently (in the UK), no guns were fired, no deaths. Also are auto rifles needed during a riot? Surely maybe riot shields, then water cannons can be used before you start shooting people?

I know it is impossible to destroy what is it 30% of the worlds guns, but still. Since the shooting, gun sales in the US have gone up! Really!!

And when Americans start using a 200-300 year old document to excuse owning a gun is dumb. I'm sure your founding fathers wanted you to kill school kids.

Also according to the BBC there are 7 places to buy guns compared to McDonalds. That's a normal balance!

The United States of America is NOT the United Kingdom. There are different socioeconomic and historical reasons for why some things may or may not work. 

Gun sales have gone up because people are afraid their guns will be taken away. Hell, if I wasn't living in a dorm (where I can't own a gun) I'd be purchasing some of my own out of the same fear. Guns are our safety line. We don't need them often, nor might we ever need them, but they're there. 

That 224 year old document is the basis of our law and the reason why the United States is the longest-lasting republic in existence today. We can't ignore the basis of our entire political system. Also, I didn't kill any kids, nor did 99.9999999% of gun owners kill kids. People are responsible for their own actions, and it seems odd to me how some people place such actions as fully a responsibility of the government or society to control at all times. We live in a free society in which individual liberties are the premier notion of living good lives. 

McDonald's kills more people than guns, actually. Heart-disease is the leading cause of death in America. ;) 



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LinkVPit said:
killerzX said:
sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.


well the thing is any able body person can be a militia.... me with my guns is a militia. so i agree. i should be able to keep my Ak-47, AK-74, SCAR-17s, Glock 19 gen 4, Glock 19, Glock 17, Henry Repeater, AR-15, Mossberg 500, and smith and wesson .38 special. i just need more ammo, i only have ~1500 7.62 rounds, 700 .308 rounds, 1000 9mm rounds, 1200 5.45 rounds, 300 5.56. im running low

Is that really your gun collection?

That alone is reason for some form of gun control/law. Do you really need all them weapons, the answer is no.

No wonder you defend gun rights so much, your a fucking gun nut!

not all are mine: my personal collection is: Ak-47, SCAR 17s, Glock 19 gen 4, and i forgot about my Ruger 10-22.

the other guns are my older brothers: AK-74, Glock 17, Henry repeater, smith and wesson .38.

younger brother: AR-15, Glock 19, mossberg 500.

its called a bill of rights, not a bill of needs.

how i spend my money is none of your concern.

why do you need a car that can go over 65 mph, why do you need a home bigger than 300 square feet, why do you need so may video games.

 

what i chose to buy with my own money, i up to me. and what can i say i like diversity. so i buy as much as i can. why would i only choose one, when there are so many good ones to chose from. some are good for only limited specific things, i need one for every occasion.



LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:
LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.

I'm sorry, America needs a militia?

A militia. Guns are so out of control you need to hire or just gather a group of gun owners to protect against other gun owners form shooting each other. That will end well.

This thread is ridiculous! 

Educate yourself on the matter and you'll understand. The founding fathers were proponents of militias INSTEAD of a standing military. The militias are there for many reasons. The most important one in today's context is during riots. The main argument for keeping automatic and semi-automatic weapons among the populace is that they acted as protection during the LA riots (and similar.) With militias this makes a non-governmental military body. It must be non-government so that they can't be used to oppress the people.  Look at countries like Switzerland where homicides are nearly non-existant, because instead of a standing military they have a militia, and hence have gun regulation without the harmful effects of gun laws and it without a government monopoly on the weapons. Banning guns entirely won't get rid of the 300 million that are out there. When political states like the UK and Australia banned guns only a few hundreds of thousands were meant to be destroyed.  There are 90 guns for every 100 people in the U.S. It is unfeasible to destroy them or cofiscate even a small minority, especially when the owners are so commited to their natural rights and wouldn't give up their weapons without massive conflicts. The best solution is to promote education and regulation via the militias, which are entirely organized by the people and society. 

Weird, we had riots recently (in the UK), no guns were fired, no deaths. Also are auto rifles needed during a riot? Surely maybe riot shields, then water cannons can be used before you start shooting people?

I know it is impossible to destroy what is it 30% of the worlds guns, but still. Since the shooting, gun sales in the US have gone up! Really!!

And when Americans start using a 200-300 year old document to excuse owning a gun is dumb. I'm sure your founding fathers wanted you to kill school kids.

Also according to the BBC there are 7 places to buy guns compared to McDonalds. That's a normal balance!

The reason guns are needed during a riot is simple: Since everyone already has guns everyone needs them to defend themsalves in case of a riot :D

Really, the only way to implement gun control would be to destroy every single gun owned by normal citizens (not a member of police or army) - also the illegal ones since this is only hypothetical - and THEN implement the gun control. So - not going to happen xD



sc94597 said:
LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:
LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.

I'm sorry, America needs a militia?

A militia. Guns are so out of control you need to hire or just gather a group of gun owners to protect against other gun owners form shooting each other. That will end well.

This thread is ridiculous! 

Educate yourself on the matter and you'll understand. The founding fathers were proponents of militias INSTEAD of a standing military. The militias are there for many reasons. The most important one in today's context is during riots. The main argument for keeping automatic and semi-automatic weapons among the populace is that they acted as protection during the LA riots (and similar.) With militias this makes a non-governmental military body. It must be non-government so that they can't be used to oppress the people.  Look at countries like Switzerland where homicides are nearly non-existant, because instead of a standing military they have a militia, and hence have gun regulation without the harmful effects of gun laws and it without a government monopoly on the weapons. Banning guns entirely won't get rid of the 300 million that are out there. When political states like the UK and Australia banned guns only a few hundreds of thousands were meant to be destroyed.  There are 90 guns for every 100 people in the U.S. It is unfeasible to destroy them or cofiscate even a small minority, especially when the owners are so commited to their natural rights and wouldn't give up their weapons without massive conflicts. The best solution is to promote education and regulation via the militias, which are entirely organized by the people and society. 

Weird, we had riots recently (in the UK), no guns were fired, no deaths. Also are auto rifles needed during a riot? Surely maybe riot shields, then water cannons can be used before you start shooting people?

I know it is impossible to destroy what is it 30% of the worlds guns, but still. Since the shooting, gun sales in the US have gone up! Really!!

And when Americans start using a 200-300 year old document to excuse owning a gun is dumb. I'm sure your founding fathers wanted you to kill school kids.

Also according to the BBC there are 7 places to buy guns compared to McDonalds. That's a normal balance!

The United States of America is NOT the United Kingdom. There are different socioeconomic and historical reasons for why some things may or may not work. 

Gun sales have gone up because people are afraid their guns will be taken away. Hell, if I wasn't living in a dorm (where I can't own a gun) I'd be purchasing some of my own out of the same fear. Guns are our safety line. We don't need them often, nor might we ever need them, but they're there. 

That 224 year old document is the basis of our law and the reason why the United States is the longest-lasting republic in existence today. We can't ignore the basis of our entire political system. Also, I didn't kill any kids, nor did 99.9999999% of gun owners kill kids. People are responsible for their own actions, and it seems odd to me how some people place such actions as fully a responsibility of the government or society to control at all times. We live in a free society in which individual liberties are the premier notion of living good lives. 

McDonald's kills more people than guns, actually. Heart-disease is the leading cause of death in America. ;) 

The fact that you need a gun to stay safe must be a trigger to say something isn't right?

And yes people are responsible for the actions, but would that tragedy have happened or been less if he had a knife or other weapon? Chances are no or less deaths at least.

We have gun laws in the UK and last time I checked we haven't had a gun massacre. How many have the US had?



LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:
LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:
LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:

I think this is how things should go.

-- Restrict military grade weapons to people who join a militia: either the official (state regulated one - National guard) or an unofficial militia.

-- Make sure the common population has access to basic weapons without joining an organized militia: handguns, basic rifles, etc.

This will do two things. Limit the number of weapons out there under irresponsible ownership, and encourage responsible owners to join militias, which is a good thing and is promoted by our constitution.

Not only would this decrease the chances of a lunatic accessing weapons, but it will reinstate the proper respect for human lives and weapon use that our nations (as in its definition of peoples - U.S is not a nation-state) once had.

This would be smart legislation that works, and it would transition the U.S into something a bit more like Switzerland.

The only reason why nobody would push for this is because liberals want to ban guns entirely and neo-conservatives want to centralize the military power within the standing military. The paleo-conservatives, known as the tea party, would be a minority in this battle. So the next best thing is to keep things how they are until the dust settles and proper judgement can be made without extreme emotions influencing decisions.

I'm sorry, America needs a militia?

A militia. Guns are so out of control you need to hire or just gather a group of gun owners to protect against other gun owners form shooting each other. That will end well.

This thread is ridiculous! 

Educate yourself on the matter and you'll understand. The founding fathers were proponents of militias INSTEAD of a standing military. The militias are there for many reasons. The most important one in today's context is during riots. The main argument for keeping automatic and semi-automatic weapons among the populace is that they acted as protection during the LA riots (and similar.) With militias this makes a non-governmental military body. It must be non-government so that they can't be used to oppress the people.  Look at countries like Switzerland where homicides are nearly non-existant, because instead of a standing military they have a militia, and hence have gun regulation without the harmful effects of gun laws and it without a government monopoly on the weapons. Banning guns entirely won't get rid of the 300 million that are out there. When political states like the UK and Australia banned guns only a few hundreds of thousands were meant to be destroyed.  There are 90 guns for every 100 people in the U.S. It is unfeasible to destroy them or cofiscate even a small minority, especially when the owners are so commited to their natural rights and wouldn't give up their weapons without massive conflicts. The best solution is to promote education and regulation via the militias, which are entirely organized by the people and society. 

Weird, we had riots recently (in the UK), no guns were fired, no deaths. Also are auto rifles needed during a riot? Surely maybe riot shields, then water cannons can be used before you start shooting people?

I know it is impossible to destroy what is it 30% of the worlds guns, but still. Since the shooting, gun sales in the US have gone up! Really!!

And when Americans start using a 200-300 year old document to excuse owning a gun is dumb. I'm sure your founding fathers wanted you to kill school kids.

Also according to the BBC there are 7 places to buy guns compared to McDonalds. That's a normal balance!

The United States of America is NOT the United Kingdom. There are different socioeconomic and historical reasons for why some things may or may not work. 

Gun sales have gone up because people are afraid their guns will be taken away. Hell, if I wasn't living in a dorm (where I can't own a gun) I'd be purchasing some of my own out of the same fear. Guns are our safety line. We don't need them often, nor might we ever need them, but they're there. 

That 224 year old document is the basis of our law and the reason why the United States is the longest-lasting republic in existence today. We can't ignore the basis of our entire political system. Also, I didn't kill any kids, nor did 99.9999999% of gun owners kill kids. People are responsible for their own actions, and it seems odd to me how some people place such actions as fully a responsibility of the government or society to control at all times. We live in a free society in which individual liberties are the premier notion of living good lives. 

McDonald's kills more people than guns, actually. Heart-disease is the leading cause of death in America. ;) 

The fact that you need a gun to stay safe must be a trigger to say something isn't right?

And yes people are responsible for the actions, but would that tragedy have happened or been less if he had a knife or other weapon? Chances are no or less deaths at least.

We have gun laws in the UK and last time I checked we haven't had a gun massacre. How many have the US had?


I´m from Germany and we had far too many gun massacres, despite the gun laws. I´m not saying they are useless, but they neither stopped the massacres done with illegal weapons nor the ones with legal (sports-) weapons. The recognition of mental illness is FAR more important than gun laws. 



LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:
LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:
LinkVPit said:
sc94597 said:

 

The fact that you need a gun to stay safe must be a trigger to say something isn't right?

And yes people are responsible for the actions, but would that tragedy have happened or been less if he had a knife or other weapon? Chances are no or less deaths at least.

We have gun laws in the UK and last time I checked we haven't had a gun massacre. How many have the US had?

you dont need one to stay safe, but it helps.

i'd rather have my Glock than a knife, or my fists, if some criminal comes at me. regardless if they are armed with a gun.

as for your second question, undoubtedly, yes. the largest loss of life, in a school attack in the US, involved ZERO guns, yet ~130 people died. the single largest deadliest attack on US soil, involved no firearms, and yet 3000 people died.

it really isnt hard to fatham that this evil animal, couldnt have killed an equal amount of 5 year olds, with nothing more than a knife. really what kind of fight could they put up.

there's a reason that in the last 50 years in the US, all but 1 killing spree of 3 or more people dying, have happened in "gun free zones"