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Americans have too much freedom. Restricting guns and stricter gun licenses would go a long way in reducing gun related crimes. 12,000 people are killed in America every year and 100,000 are injured every year as a result of gun violence. High powered semi-automatic and automatic weapons should be prohibited and banned in America. Machine guns, AK-47 assault rifles, Uzis, etc are weapons of choice for criminals and terrorists.
Kasz216 said:
That's part of it.... I mean I wouldn't rule out hard drug use personally. I mean look at Finland and Sweeden way upthere. What's up with that?
Also, i feel like i'd have to point out that any serious researcher would usually eliminate the USA, considering it to be a HUGE outlier. I wonder if the data would correlate as nicely without the US. I wonder if it would correlate at all. Generally when making a linear regression you want about half of your dots above the red line, and half below.
If you've got way too many on one side of it... that means you've got big outliers in your data corrupting your data analysis. |
That's kind of my impression too. There's probably something more than income inequality going on here. I don't really know enough about the literature, but I remember Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine, where (I think) he clearly had the objective of showing that gun control resulted in higher homicide rates, and even his ultimate conclusion tended to show that there are just a lot of factor playing into murder rates.
| Stefan.De.Machtige said: Go communism...? |
You know....there's a middle ground between what we have now, and communism. It's called the United States 50 years ago, when CEOs were paid 30 times the amount of an average worker, rather then 380 times, and when people moved up through a company rather than sitting in the same position at the same pay for 15 years as many workers do today.
Also, this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
In any case, I find that first chart to be misleading: it's not using murder rates, it's using total numbers. America has a much larger population than those countries. And countries with either better gun control policy or with citizens who must enroll in the military, violent crimes in general are lower. Even when China had a spat of knifings a few years the highest death toll in a single incident was 8, I believe.
No amount of laws will ever be able to end violence. There will always be weapons and always methods to commit mass murder. That doesn't mean, however, that we can't take steps to reduce these incidents.
| nuckles87 said: You know....there's a middle ground between what we have now, and communism. It's called the United States 50 years ago, when CEOs were paid 30 times the amount of an average worker, rather then 380 times, and when people moved up through a company rather than sitting in the same position at the same pay for 15 years as many workers do today. Also, this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
In any case, I find that first chart to be misleading: it's not using murder rates, it's using total numbers. America has a much larger population than those countries. And countries with either better gun control policy or with citizens who must enroll in the military, violent crimes in general are lower. Even when China had a spat of knifings a few years the highest death toll in a single incident was 8, I believe. No amount of laws will ever be able to end violence. There will always be weapons and always methods to commit mass murder. That doesn't mean, however, that we can't take steps to reduce these incidents. |
Homicides per million isn't a count of the total numbers. Its a count of the number of homicides per million citizens.....basically a homicide rate, which is what the article is talking about......meaning the US has about 60 homicides per million people.
Edit: I also think its a pretty standard measure for homicide rates.
I've said this for years in every gun control debate VGC has had.
Of course, the way I'd fix inequality would probably be a lot different than yours..
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
| Dark_Lord_2008 said: Americans have too much freedom. Restricting guns and stricter gun licenses would go a long way in reducing gun related crimes. 12,000 people are killed in America every year and 100,000 are injured every year as a result of gun violence. High powered semi-automatic and automatic weapons should be prohibited and banned in America. Machine guns, AK-47 assault rifles, Uzis, etc are weapons of choice for criminals and terrorists. |
No they aren't.
Assault rifles aren't used in homicides in America. I can find the data for you, but rifles and the like are used in less than 5% of murders, despite the fact they're the #1 selling firearm at the moment.
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
Marks said:
No, the real problem is people sense of entitlement. People aren't happy unless they have what everyone else has. Guess what, greed isn't something only found in rich people, you don't think poor people are greedy? Economic inequality is no excuse for violence. |
No one ask for million dollar raise. Wow go to the extreme. How about 100 million rather then 200 million for the CEO. EVen people skills are getting paid sh-t because the top is taking off with all the cash. You are exactly the people that make me laugh. Hey pay me less, also less heathcare, also less safe working habits. Thats the republican party. Push the money up not down and you have been sold down the river to accept sh-t as pay and allow CEO and top execs to still your wallet right out your hand. I run my own buisness. I pay people well. WHy is that? Because I have a sense of what people are worth. Not just sh-t on everyone on the bottom. People like you make me sad. You think that people should live in sh-t while the a few have it all?
No one said lets take all the ceo's pay. i have no problem with paying them well. No reason for what they do get paid, Millions in stock options and golden parashuts when they f-ck the whole company and steal everyone pensions.
WHY IS IT ALL OR NOTHING WITH CONSERVATIVE'S?? YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING WHAT FOX NEWS SAYS? JUST CAUSE WE THINK THE TOP MAKES TO MUCH MEANS WE ARE SOCIALIST, IT MEANS WE HAVE EMPATHY FOR PEOPLE WORKING AT WAL-MART. If you work at walmart you have to much money for college grants. If you work at wal-mart for 10 years and this is managing area's. Your likely to make less then 12 dollars a hour in chicago. same jobs in the 80's you would have made $20 in todays money.
| Dark_Lord_2008 said: Americans have too much freedom. Restricting guns and stricter gun licenses would go a long way in reducing gun related crimes. 12,000 people are killed in America every year and 100,000 are injured every year as a result of gun violence. High powered semi-automatic and automatic weapons should be prohibited and banned in America. Machine guns, AK-47 assault rifles, Uzis, etc are weapons of choice for criminals and terrorists. |
I Agree and tests to own a gun would be nice. We would like to know if crazie people are buying guns. Easy, have them sign away their doctor, patient privilege. This would get a good look at who is buying the weapons. Atleast classes on guns. Something other then walking in and saying, i would like a ak47.
nuckles87 said:
You know....there's a middle ground between what we have now, and communism. It's called the United States 50 years ago, when CEOs were paid 30 times the amount of an average worker, rather then 380 times, and when people moved up through a company rather than sitting in the same position at the same pay for 15 years as many workers do today. Also, this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
In any case, I find that first chart to be misleading: it's not using murder rates, it's using total numbers. America has a much larger population than those countries. And countries with either better gun control policy or with citizens who must enroll in the military, violent crimes in general are lower. Even when China had a spat of knifings a few years the highest death toll in a single incident was 8, I believe. No amount of laws will ever be able to end violence. There will always be weapons and always methods to commit mass murder. That doesn't mean, however, that we can't take steps to reduce these incidents. |
This ^^^^^^^^^^^ . Thank you.
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