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Viper1 said:

You need to elaborate again.  Way lower?

What production problems?  Do you mean the one reported back in August that claimed Europe may get pushed back to a 2013 launch?  That's obviously been fixed as stock is coming in just fine.

Also, 2.5 million from Jan to March is just 208,000 units per week.   Considering we are talking shipped units, not sold to consumers, I dont' think this is a imprabable as you are suggesting.

3DS

3DS is selling 30% or lower below the last year numbers... the Nintendo forecast is 14 million for March, 2013 (already lowered from 16 million)... they shipped 5 million 3DS at Sep, 2012 and they have just more two quarter for ship more 9 million... sorry but the sales is low compared to last year so it's impossible to ship more 9 million until March.

Anyway it's known by Nintendo... http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/nintendo-downsizes-forecasts-by-70-after-weaker-than-expected-3ds-sales/

Wii U

They have issues in production with Wii U and that makes the company sent to retail less units than demand needs... I can't see Nintendo with shipping more than 2 or 2.5 million units of Wii U this year.

After that they need to ship 3 to 3.5 million until March, 2013... you know it's almost a "record" for a Q4 quarter for any company... the Wii with better sales than Wii U shipped 3.43 million units after the launch in March, 2007.

I don't see Wii U doing the same the Wii did.



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Viper1 said:
Train wreck said:
Viper1 said:

"Nintendo is irrelevenat," Michael Pachter (Dec 06,  2012)   Guess who most video game investors get their industry advice from?

You still think this drop is due to launch sales?

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/stock/information/index.html

57% of the shares of Nintendo are owned by companies and people inside Japan, you mean to tell me that they listen to Patcher also.  He must me truly global.

Are you trying to tell me that the foreign 43% can't sell their stock?   Becaue that would be the only valid reason for even making your post.

 

If the 43% sell why are other 57% not buying?  If the fundamentals of the company are strong or improving as you seem to imply, they should not be hesitant to pick up shares right?  Or is Patcher doom and gloom scenario too big for Nintendo shares to overcome.  Just admit the Patcher reasoning is a pretty dumb one and we can call it a day.

 



HappySqurriel 10 hours ago
Nintendo is a cyclic investment because its value is so closely related to the console release cycle ...

Right now they're at (or near to) their cyclic low; in part because of the high losses and lower revenues associated with a new batch of consoles and also because analysts (and investors) have consistently bet against Nintendo since the 90s. For some reason people assume that their competition will be able to release a system that is dramatically more powerful, at a reasonable price, with a strong line-up from day one, and new competitors will be able to steal Nintendo's market with little resistence.

In 2 to 3 years, when the 3DS and Wii U have large userbases that are buying a boat load of Nintendo games, Nintendo's revenues are gigantic, and Nintendo's costs are low because they haven't ramped up to releasing their next generation system, Nintendo's stock will (probably) be approaching their cyclic high.

While I could be wrong, and it is entirely dependent on timing, I believe there is the opportunity to double or tripple your money if you invest in Nintendo at the right opportunity.
 
 
 
Happy Squrriel...your common sense has removed the tension from my brain. Join me in buying the cheap stock and we count our riches in future years!


Train wreck said:

 

If the 43% sell why are other 57% not buying?  If the fundamentals of the company are strong or improving as you seem to imply, they should not be hesitant to pick up shares right?  Or is Patcher doom and gloom scenario too big for Nintendo shares to overcome.  Just admit the Patcher reasoning is a pretty dumb one and we can call it a day.

I'm not implying the sales are strong at all.  What I am saying is that blaming it solely on the sales ignores many other factors that were already at work dropping the price.

The strong Yen has been hammering it, and other companies, for a while now.
Pachter has been harsh on Nintendo in the past but to flat out state at the Game Monetization Summit just a few days ago that Nintendo is irrlevant would have a huge imapct.
Continued correction of the overinvestment spike by the DS and Wii rush.
Continued downtrend from the investor speculation that Nintendo would fully back mobile.

ALL these are to blame.  Saying it's just sales makes little sense given that Nintendo never gave investors a launch projection to evven work with.



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kowenicki said:
Train wreck said:
Viper1 said:
Train wreck said:
Viper1 said:

"Nintendo is irrelevenat," Michael Pachter (Dec 06,  2012)   Guess who most video game investors get their industry advice from?

You still think this drop is due to launch sales?

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/stock/information/index.html

57% of the shares of Nintendo are owned by companies and people inside Japan, you mean to tell me that they listen to Patcher also.  He must me truly global.

Are you trying to tell me that the foreign 43% can't sell their stock?   Becaue that would be the only valid reason for even making your post.

 

If the 43% sell why are other 57% not buying?  If the fundamentals of the company are strong or improving as you seem to imply, they should not be hesitant to pick up shares right?  Or is Patcher doom and gloom scenario too big for Nintendo shares to overcome.  Just admit the Patcher reasoning is a pretty dumb one and we can call it a day.

 


Thats a nonsense post.  It is literally nonsense.  

The 43% are selling to people who replace the 43%, its still 43% but different owners. 

People ARE buying the stock. 

Secondly, just because you hold a stock doesnt mean you want more of it.

Its not a nonsense post at all, the same reasoning can be made for Microsoft.  If the fundementals of the comapny is strong with the release of windows 8, lumia 920 and the company making money hand over fist, why is the stock a dollar off its 52 week low.  All those positive factors should be propelling the stock price.  But maybe it was that yahoo article claming Microsoft best days are behind them.  Yeah, that is it...



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It's not that difficult to figure out, you simply have to understand how investors think. The broader market of investors and shareholders don't look at stability or long-term trends, they look for growth and large profit margins in the short-term, neither of which Nintendo are posting now. Nintendo haven't been posting growing revenues or profits or sales since 2009, so investors won't jump on board.

Combined with Nintendo not moving into the fastest growing sector of the games industry--the mobile market--investors just aren't interested. Investors want maximum return for minimal investment as quickly as possible. Nintendo don't operate that way; if they did, Animal Crossing would be free to play and Virtual Console at the least would be available across smartphones. That will make short-term money, but could easily jeopardize their long-term position, as Iwata noted at an investor's briefing when asked why Nintendo had yet to move into mobile. 

Nintendo's market value is less an indication of whether or not Nintendo are doomed or even able to make a profit, but rather a bigger indication of whether or not Nintendo are growing their business. As someone noted, Nintendo's share price remained relatively stable (and low) across 1994 to 2005--because the core size of Nintendo's business didn't rapidly alter. Their home console business gradually declined, their portable business stayed stable. What happened across 2006 to 2009? Nintendo's business boomed. Wii represented an enormous amount of growth in their home console business, as DS did for their handheld business. Now to investors, it didn't matter how many total units those systems sold, it mattered how many were sold per year. DS and Wii both sold phenominally well on a yearly basis and grew in sales on a yearly basis across 2006 to 2008. This was accompanied by huge growth in revenue and profit, assisted by a weak yen and relatively strong dollar, as well as strong economic conditions across Nintendo's main markets. 

Investors looking at Nintendo now see several signs that mean they aren't a good bet for short-term investment, the type of investment you typically get in today's world: as I said, maximum return for minimum investment as rapidly as possible, so you can put your money into other baskets. Right now, Nintendo's yearly sales are shrinking. They are struggling to return to profit, their revenue is down. Without a large profit margin, many investors won't look at Nintendo twice. Combined with all the investment advice suggesting you throw your money at mobile companies--which despite lower revenues and total sales than Nintendo, post relatively higher profit margins and faster growing revenues--Nintendo's share price will not increase. What's happened in the last 2 days? A more complete picture of Wii U's launch has been completed. It's by no means bad. It's not a weak launch--but it IS a smaller launch than the Wii, which gives another signal to investors that Nintendo aren't growing their business, and therefore aren't worth investing in.

Nintendo probably won't be able to attract many investors this generation. Their business was over-valued at the peak of the DS/Wii boom because of the size of Nintendo's growth: Nintendo being nearly as valuable as Toyota just doesn't reflect reality. Similarly, Nintendo's declining share prices right now don't mean that Nintendo are in any immediate danger, it just means Nintendo aren't growing their business. Obviously Nintendo will want to grow their business. But they can't post the kind of growth they got from moving from selling 20 million home consoles in 5 years to selling 60 million home consoles in three years, with corresponding higher software sales. They can't post the kind of growth they posted in their handheld business, selling 30 million units per year as they did with DS, moving on from GBA. It just isn't possible. They'd have to sell at rates that simply can't be supported by the current console market. Finally, the strong yen is yet again the bane of Nintendo's finances. The yen was weak during the boom, inflating the share prices of Japanese export-led businesses. The yen is now strong, making export-led Japanese companies far weaker than they were six years ago. It means Nintendo can't post large profit margins on their revenue, making their share price even weaker than it normally would be during a console transition, or even weaker than it should be for a company like Nintendo. Without growth, without large profit margins, Nintendo just aren't attractive to the vast majority of investors. Not when there are easier, safer, quicker bets to be made in the mobile market in the near-term. If anyone doesn't mind holding into stock for a few years in the hope the yen weakens, then you might make a fair bit of money.



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Reading this thread I have a feeling there are quite a few people that don't seem to understand the Stock Market.

Very sad. High Schools need to have a required class teaching kids more things. They force so many classes in High School yet they leave out the most important things. Like managing ones bank acccount/check book, doing ones taxes, taking care of your car, changing tires/oil/ect. How the stock market works, saving for retirement, paying bills, like phone bill, car insurance, credit card debt, ect. Basic money management.

There needs to be some sort of class that teaches kids what these things. They leave high school and are tossed into a world and have hundreds of bills and difficulties that knowing who the presidents are doesn't help one bit on.



irstupid said:

Reading this thread I have a feeling there are quite a few people that don't seem to understand the Stock Market.

Very sad. High Schools need to have a required class teaching kids more things. They force so many classes in High School yet they leave out the most important things. Like managing ones bank acccount/check book, doing ones taxes, taking care of your car, changing tires/oil/ect. How the stock market works, saving for retirement, paying bills, like phone bill, car insurance, credit card debt, ect. Basic money management.

There needs to be some sort of class that teaches kids what these things. They leave high school and are tossed into a world and have hundreds of bills and difficulties that knowing who the presidents are doesn't help one bit on.

Fully agree.

I had a course in college that did teach much of that (no car stuff though) but it was funny because I was already in my 30's and knew all of it but was thinking to myself the whole time how valuable this course would have been back in high school.



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Viper1 said:
ethomaz said:
Nintendo is not on track to match their own fiscal year predictions.

Care to elaborate?


well you've seen the early numbers same and ethomaz and I.  no one can be sure at this point with 100% certainly but i don't think nintendo are on track to meet their expectations of 5.5M wiiU by March.  So i'll explain it as best I can...

want to bet on it?  I say nintendo misses their 5.5M shipment figures by March 2013 thus selling below expectations.  1 month of avatar contol?