common sense would be stop getting angry, and to stop arguing when you know youre wrong :P

Dno--stop talking in absolutes

" it dropped the price TWICE in one year and xbox dropped once in 2 years and wii never yet ps3 sales have increased that is a fact. no one has said "o the ps3 dropped twice i dont want it" in fact people are buying it more"

yes people are still saying that, you yourself said that it has yet to reach a price the majority of people are comfortable with--so yeah some people have said , yes it droped 2x in price but i dont want it

tk1989 said: common sense would be stop getting angry, and to stop arguing when you know youre wrong :P

OFT--but since they are cracking down on spam i have to add this little part so its not considered spam

mesoteto said: These are all response by Dno in regards to my point of the wii setting the price for the current gen "actually no its not because it has not dropped the price at all. wii is controlling the market not the price." "i dont think microsoft and sony are trying to be lower then the wii.... i think they are trying to hit mass market price..... why because 400-600 is a lot of cash. i think sony is trying to get to 299 faster then 360 NOT wii." "if wii is mass market price then my car was WAY OVER PRICED. i think (and i think everyone will aggree with me) we would all pay a little more for a ps3 then a wii because it does WAY more. If sony wanted to match nintedo then the ps3 would be 249.99 and they would lose on 150 bucks on each system sold and thats way less then they lost before in 2006 when the system dropped. obviously thats NOT their goal." so you keep switching and still unable to address why the wii did not set the price point for the current gen at 250 "the wii has something that cannot be stopped and sony has to lower the price to counter them"

i never switched when did i switch?  i said i do not think sony wants to match the wii in price thats what i said did i not..... do you read?

i always said the mass market price for everything is different and i do not think sony wants 250. i dont think im changing at all i think both of you are.

and im not mad in fact i enjoy a little debate but i dont agree with you two at all

Dno said: tk1989 said: Dno said: tk1989 said: Dno said: tk1989 said: Jumped in for nothing? I just dont like how everything you say is somehow stated as "fact"? all your "facts" have basically been opinionated. Saying that you believe that everyone will be willing to spend extra for all the features on the PS3 is an opinion, not fact; i for one would not be willing to do that, and i bet many people here would take the same stance. This is a forum, there are meant to be debates. I didnt jump into this debate for no reason, i entered it to give my views and opinions, as you did. But you stated that you were saying facts, when most of you "facts" were in fact opinions. I entered the agument to dispute some of your points, as you are meant to do on forums.   Also, about the HD DVD, i did not say it was the sole reason... What i did say can be seen as a reason however; maybe not a significant one in terms of the PS3-hd dvd ratio, but i clearly stated in my post that it was a bad example, but an example neverthless. well since ps3 is selling at a fast paste (what console do u no that started at 600 and did not die?) i think some people are willing to pay more u might not be one of them but i was.I gave you a link to prove my point where is yours? i still am watitng to see how a price drop on console will hurt them in the long run case i just dont see it. yes this is a forum but you bashed me not the other dude so ima do the same. and your right HD-dvd was a bad example so why did you use it? Because, it was an example :P lol. The use of HD DVD was to help prove a point i was trying to make. yes, many people believed Bluray was the superior format etc and bought it solely for that reason, but are you honestly telling me that you would not be put off by constant price cuts on a product? If you were wanting a certain game, and the price of it was cut multiple times in a short period of time would you not be concerned that said game was in fact rubbish? not worth your hard earned cash? that you should maybe spend your money on a safer buy? Why spend £20 on lair when you can spend £30 on Resistance? Are you honestly telling me that you would not be swayed? that you would be willing to fling cash around like there is no tomorrow? well, most consumers (the "average joe") does not have this luxury, and when doubt is in their mind they generally become cautious about their purchase, especially if its gonna set them back a couple hundred dollars... Yes,some people are willing to pay extra for certain features, but i would say that the majority of people arent (to a certain degree). Ive explained this before. Some people want the extra features, some dont, and some dont give a shit about it. Also, what do you want me to link? And, the Ps2 cost 300 quid in the uk, which translates into around $600 (using current exchange rates). the PS3 also has the massive brand name behind it.   no i dont buy stuff because it wack. in fact if lair came out at 20 bucks i bet you it would of sold a lot more. in fact i work at gamestop and i often buy 10-20 games even tho they werent that great. that is a highly sold section in the gamestop company. these are all games that sell and have LOTS of price drops. i used to change the price on games all day long. so i can honeslty say NO if i wanted something and the price dropped i would LOVE to ge it for a lower price so im sorry i do not agree. i do see what you are saying but if i wasnt interested in something it would not matter how many times it dropped i would not get it. but people are interested in the ps3 thats a fact and more price dropps in this case are welcome. I never said people buy stuff because its "Wack"; when i said "people dont give a shit", i meant people who did not fit into the toehr two categories, such as the Sony loyalists, and people who have disposable incoems and want to buy the very best technology for the sake of it. I did not say you were part of this group. The thing about lair is that with crap games that dont sell they generally drop the price, like with lair... If a games been out for a couple of weeks, isnt on the chart anymore, and is now being rtailed for half the original price then i expect most people will think a bit about their purchase before running into it. Once again, i said most people... not everyone is like you and buys 10-20 games that "werent that great" on a whim. People are interested in PS3... yes, that is a fact, but people are also interested in the Wii and 360... I dotn get your point? With price drops... say there was two price drops in on the PS3 in the space of 2 months.. wouldnt you be asking why they dropped the price so often? Wouldnt there be an ounce of concern? Most consumers would question this... The problem is that the PS3 was (and to many people still is) too much money; Sony cant drop the price too fast though, as it will cause concern amongst its consumers... Get what im saying? what i saying doesnt account for everyone, but people do think like that.... right it doesnt account for everything but we are talking about the ps3 and if it drops the price again the sales will grow. we can disagree about this but at 400 its selling faster then 600 and thats the only proof i have. you are going on what you think will happen. i am not lol. it dropped the price TWICE in one year and xbox dropped once in 2 years and wii never yet ps3 sales have increased that is a fact. no one has said "o the ps3 dropped twice i dont want it" in fact people are buying it more.

People wont think like that, people will be more cautious tho if (and i repeat, if) sony does another price cut very soon.This could result in them putting off their purchase to see what happens, etc.. there are many different outcomes from it. A company cant just drop the price of its product constantly, it has to be well planned and done at a precise time. I never said that people will stop buying the PS3 if there is another price drop soon, i said that they will be mroe cautious! This problem will be averted if a price drop is done in say 6 months time, when there will be no effect. You are taking what i am saying the totally wrong way.  Your problem is that you are taking what i am saying as fact... You are concentrating on a very small part of my argument that could affect one group of people...  

mesoteto said: Dno--stop talking in absolutes " it dropped the price TWICE in one year and xbox dropped once in 2 years and wii never yet ps3 sales have increased that is a fact. no one has said "o the ps3 dropped twice i dont want it" in fact people are buying it more" yes people are still saying that, you yourself said that it has yet to reach a price the majority of people are comfortable with--so yeah some people have said , yes it droped 2x in price but i dont want it

you are so close minded NO ONE CARES IF YOU DONT WANT IT. millions other did and thats why it is selling more then 360.

what i meant was people who dont want the ps3 will not get it at any price and people who do will never say "they dropped the price twice i am not getting it now".

one of you said that dropping the price looks bad and it hasnt because it has sold millions since that is what i am arguing. i want to see that sony looks bad by sales not but what you two think.

Your being close minded when you believe that everyone is willign to spend more money for extra features...
Its been selling mroe than the 360 for 1-2 months now, its not become a trend yet so you cannot really use that as a fact...
I never said that people will say "they dropped the price twice, im not getting it now"!
I never said dropping a price looks bad, thats stating a fact... It can look bad if done wrongly... which i have repeated soooo many times!

I hate it when people will not accept anyones opinions except their own, and take it for "fact". Im off to play MP3, cyas l8er. 

tk1989 said: Dno said: tk1989 said: Dno said: tk1989 said: Dno said: tk1989 said: Jumped in for nothing? I just dont like how everything you say is somehow stated as "fact"? all your "facts" have basically been opinionated. Saying that you believe that everyone will be willing to spend extra for all the features on the PS3 is an opinion, not fact; i for one would not be willing to do that, and i bet many people here would take the same stance. This is a forum, there are meant to be debates. I didnt jump into this debate for no reason, i entered it to give my views and opinions, as you did. But you stated that you were saying facts, when most of you "facts" were in fact opinions. I entered the agument to dispute some of your points, as you are meant to do on forums.   Also, about the HD DVD, i did not say it was the sole reason... What i did say can be seen as a reason however; maybe not a significant one in terms of the PS3-hd dvd ratio, but i clearly stated in my post that it was a bad example, but an example neverthless. well since ps3 is selling at a fast paste (what console do u no that started at 600 and did not die?) i think some people are willing to pay more u might not be one of them but i was.I gave you a link to prove my point where is yours? i still am watitng to see how a price drop on console will hurt them in the long run case i just dont see it. yes this is a forum but you bashed me not the other dude so ima do the same. and your right HD-dvd was a bad example so why did you use it? Because, it was an example :P lol. The use of HD DVD was to help prove a point i was trying to make. yes, many people believed Bluray was the superior format etc and bought it solely for that reason, but are you honestly telling me that you would not be put off by constant price cuts on a product? If you were wanting a certain game, and the price of it was cut multiple times in a short period of time would you not be concerned that said game was in fact rubbish? not worth your hard earned cash? that you should maybe spend your money on a safer buy? Why spend £20 on lair when you can spend £30 on Resistance? Are you honestly telling me that you would not be swayed? that you would be willing to fling cash around like there is no tomorrow? well, most consumers (the "average joe") does not have this luxury, and when doubt is in their mind they generally become cautious about their purchase, especially if its gonna set them back a couple hundred dollars... Yes,some people are willing to pay extra for certain features, but i would say that the majority of people arent (to a certain degree). Ive explained this before. Some people want the extra features, some dont, and some dont give a shit about it. Also, what do you want me to link? And, the Ps2 cost 300 quid in the uk, which translates into around $600 (using current exchange rates). the PS3 also has the massive brand name behind it.   no i dont buy stuff because it wack. in fact if lair came out at 20 bucks i bet you it would of sold a lot more. in fact i work at gamestop and i often buy 10-20 games even tho they werent that great. that is a highly sold section in the gamestop company. these are all games that sell and have LOTS of price drops. i used to change the price on games all day long. so i can honeslty say NO if i wanted something and the price dropped i would LOVE to ge it for a lower price so im sorry i do not agree. i do see what you are saying but if i wasnt interested in something it would not matter how many times it dropped i would not get it. but people are interested in the ps3 thats a fact and more price dropps in this case are welcome. I never said people buy stuff because its "Wack"; when i said "people dont give a shit", i meant people who did not fit into the toehr two categories, such as the Sony loyalists, and people who have disposable incoems and want to buy the very best technology for the sake of it. I did not say you were part of this group. The thing about lair is that with crap games that dont sell they generally drop the price, like with lair... If a games been out for a couple of weeks, isnt on the chart anymore, and is now being rtailed for half the original price then i expect most people will think a bit about their purchase before running into it. Once again, i said most people... not everyone is like you and buys 10-20 games that "werent that great" on a whim. People are interested in PS3... yes, that is a fact, but people are also interested in the Wii and 360... I dotn get your point? With price drops... say there was two price drops in on the PS3 in the space of 2 months.. wouldnt you be asking why they dropped the price so often? Wouldnt there be an ounce of concern? Most consumers would question this... The problem is that the PS3 was (and to many people still is) too much money; Sony cant drop the price too fast though, as it will cause concern amongst its consumers... Get what im saying? what i saying doesnt account for everyone, but people do think like that.... right it doesnt account for everything but we are talking about the ps3 and if it drops the price again the sales will grow. we can disagree about this but at 400 its selling faster then 600 and thats the only proof i have. you are going on what you think will happen. i am not lol. it dropped the price TWICE in one year and xbox dropped once in 2 years and wii never yet ps3 sales have increased that is a fact. no one has said "o the ps3 dropped twice i dont want it" in fact people are buying it more. People wont think like that, people will be more cautious tho if (and i repeat, if) sony does another price cut very soon.This could result in them putting off their purchase to see what happens, etc.. there are many different outcomes from it. A company cant just drop the price of its product constantly, it has to be well planned and done at a precise time. I never said that people will stop buying the PS3 if there is another price drop soon, i said that they will be mroe cautious! This problem will be averted if a price drop is done in say 6 months time, when there will be no effect. You are taking what i am saying the totally wrong way.  Your problem is that you are taking what i am saying as fact... You are concentrating on a very small part of my argument that could affect one group of people...

well then you JUST said if another price drop people will wait no? well again i disagree because again (all i have to go on is facts) the ps3 sales did nuthin but go up and i cant say o it will drop after another price cut cause it wont.

if people start putting off there purchase then that is something that can be TRACKED(because sales would slow) therefore you are saying there will be proof and i want you to prove it because all drops proved otherwise.

There has been one price drop!!!! Thats not what my argument has eben about!!! omg!!! My argument is about if there was multiple (yes, more than one!!) price drops in a short period of time (not long periods, btu short period, say a couple of months)!!!!
You are basing your "facts" on one price drop!!! which is not what my argumnent is abotu! i have explained my argument many many times now, and everytime you ahve taken it the wrong way or twisted it. I cba explaining it all again for your sake, just because you have problems understanding what i have said.

tk1989 said: Your being close minded when you believe that everyone is willign to spend more money for extra features... Its been selling mroe than the 360 for 1-2 months now, its not become a trend yet so you cannot really use that as a fact... I never said that people will say "they dropped the price twice, im not getting it now"! I never said dropping a price looks bad, thats stating a fact... It can look bad if done wrongly... which i have repeated soooo many times! I hate it when people will not accept anyones opinions except their own, and take it for "fact". Im off to play MP3, cyas l8er.

again i never said EVERYONE i said people meaning some will some wont. i did you didnt therefore there is a market for it and i will pay a little extra for more features. so will the 10 million on ps3 and 17 million on 360 who wants those features... now i no some dont but some do or they would have bought a wii and nuthin esle.