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disolitude on 07 December 2012
Lafiel said:

@ shubhank)

but the CPU in the Surface pro can at most be the i5-3360M, which only has about half the 3D Mark 2011 performance as the i5-3570K (official word was only "3rd gen i5 mobile CPU" afaik)

http://community.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/Intel+Core+i5-3360M+Processor/review

edit:

I realized the comparison above only was using the CPU score, so I searched for valid results of total 3D Mark 11 scores and the i5-3570K received a score of ~p1000 on average, while the i5-3360M did about ~p680 on average, so in gaming performance that high end mobile i5 is about 30% slower (although that may vary in different games)


I don't think games on the surface would be CPU bound but rather GPU bound.

Also there may be good chance that Surface will get a Haswell based cpu, which has double the integrated GPU performance supposedly of HD4000.



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Lafiel on 07 December 2012
disolitude said:


I don't think games on the surface would be CPU bound but rather GPU bound.

Also there may be good chance that Surface will get a Haswell based cpu, which has double the integrated GPU performance supposedly of HD4000.

Haswell is a 4th generation i5,while MS clearly stated during their presentations that Surface Pro has a 3rd generation i5 (Ivy Brige) as CPU/APU

I heard rumors of additional Surface models though, a 8.6" Surface RT and two more Surface Pro models with 11.6" and 14.6" - maybe those later ones will have a 4th gen i5s



disolitude on 07 December 2012
Lafiel said:
disolitude said:


I don't think games on the surface would be CPU bound but rather GPU bound.

Also there may be good chance that Surface will get a Haswell based cpu, which has double the integrated GPU performance supposedly of HD4000.

Haswell is a 4th generation i5,while MS clearly stated during their presentations that Surface Pro has a 3rd generation i5 (Ivy Brige) as CPU/APU


You're probably right. One can hope no? :)

Regardless though...i5 in the Surface pro is more than enough to squeeze 60 fps in any game...but the GPU can't even do 10 fps on most modern games. 



Scoobes on 07 December 2012
Shubhank said:
Scoobes said:
Shubhank said:
cunger said:

Can it run Crysis?

Yes. It can. How good and what resolution is left to see. But expect it to be great of both worlds not best of any. You can run lots of awesome games on it but it wont run them beastly and it can be used as a tablet but not the best consumption device out there yet.

I don't see anything about a GPU in there. If they're relying on IntelHD graphics, in all likelihood, it can't run Crysis.

Both run fine on low settings.

You're assuming it would have HD4000 gaphics. Most i5's have only HD2500 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5871/intel-core-i5-3470-review-hd-2500-graphics-tested/3). Only the top end and unlocked ivy bridge i5s have HD4000 as far as I'm aware.




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Shubhank on 08 December 2012
Scoobes said:
Shubhank said:
Scoobes said:
Shubhank said:
cunger said:

Can it run Crysis?

Yes. It can. How good and what resolution is left to see. But expect it to be great of both worlds not best of any. You can run lots of awesome games on it but it wont run them beastly and it can be used as a tablet but not the best consumption device out there yet.

I don't see anything about a GPU in there. If they're relying on IntelHD graphics, in all likelihood, it can't run Crysis.

Both run fine on low settings.

You're assuming it would have HD4000 gaphics. Most i5's have only HD2500 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5871/intel-core-i5-3470-review-hd-2500-graphics-tested/3). Only the top end and unlocked ivy bridge i5s have HD4000 as far as I'm aware.


All new Win 8 ultrabooks are coming with it in base model and in a $1000 device you can expect a windows based machine to play games easily upto an year back. So in the same way you concluded. in all likelihood, it will have Intel HD4000 GPU.



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yo_john117 on 09 December 2012

Wow no keyboard included? Pretty weak.

I'll probably end up getting one sometime. Maybe when the next Xbox comes out they will have a deal for buying both.



endimion on 09 December 2012

LMFAO at anyone who said too expensive and have a 600 bucks smartphone even through a plan, if you ever bought an iPad in it's current gen or a MBA new on apple store.... if you match any of those category... congrats you just proved how much of a tool you are to the world.....

Beside that it will be a day 1 buy for me eyes closed.... perfect to replace my series 7 slate.... this will be the best tablet on the market hands down.... unless Asus or samy move there Ass.... it'll be for most of 2013



famousringo on 10 December 2012
endimion said:
LMFAO at anyone who said too expensive and have a 600 bucks smartphone even through a plan, if you ever bought an iPad in it's current gen or a MBA new on apple store.... if you match any of those category... congrats you just proved how much of a tool you are to the world.....

Beside that it will be a day 1 buy for me eyes closed.... perfect to replace my series 7 slate.... this will be the best tablet on the market hands down.... unless Asus or samy move there Ass.... it'll be for most of 2013


That's pretty much who I'm expecting will buy this. People who had a use for the expensive, heavy, and short-running tablets that MS and partners have been selling for the past decade. I understand at one point those old Windows tablets were moving about a million units a year. 



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Proclus on 12 December 2012

Microsoft has increased production and retailers will be selling the Surface soon.



HappySqurriel on 12 December 2012
selnor said:
It would seem alot of people dont really understand Surface.

1. Surface RT is the tablet pitched against Ipad. And surface RT does more and has more functionality and features. Surface RT does what it set out to do.

2. Surface Pro is a replacement for your laptop and your tablet. A High end laptop + buying a tablet would cost you around or over 1000. But means you have to navigate and contend with 2 devices. Surface pro offers what those 2 do seperately on 1 device. Its high powered like an ultrabook and light and swift like a tablet.

It is worth its price. If you wanted Ipad prices that was what RT was for. An Ipad but better. For the same price.

Ford could create a hybrid muscle car and SUV but that doesn't mean it is a good idea or that there is a market for it ...

Beyond that, you can buy a Nexus 10 for $400 and a 15 inch laptop with a Core i5 and 6GB of memory for around $600 which doesn't make the surface much of a "value"; especially for people who see the surface as being an inferior tablet than the Nexus 10 and an inferior laptop to the Core i5.

When I used the Surface I couldn't help but think if the Zune, a device with some interesting ideas that were mostly poorly executed and was years behind the competition in the features consumers actually care about.