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miz1q2w3e said:

So the bus driver is still out there (confirmed by mantle). I remember happyD was the first to actually mention a bus driver, and I remember linkz called him out. FoS happyD.

And I also haven't forgotten about that major role fishing linkz did on me earlier. HoS linkz. So why did you target me specifically? Was it because I was an easy target? This being my first game, you knew I could be easily pressured into revealing my role. With no one to coach me/ feed me answers (like you said in your supposed theory), it was easy to extract the info you wanted. An easy way to eliminate a power role possibility and not have to waste an action. I don't buy the "confirmed town" excuse.

I wasn't rolefishing, I flat out asked you to claim. And I told everyone I would sametime the information I had with your claim, but you panicked at a few votes so that couldn't happen.

I already explained why it was you. Yes, I felt that if you were scum, then with mafia's goon dying Night 1 would give a higher likelyhood of you actually acting during the night, and with my implied pressure of having a significant track or watch, I thought you might slip and claim something non-Vanilla. And if you were town, which is what I was inclined to believe anyway, then there was no harm done.

You see, you were very naive when you asked about one-shot perhaps meaning once per day. That made it clear you had no action, because such a question wuold have been answered in your role. Scum would know this immediately if you're town, and then you are no danger as far as that goes.* Many townies on the other hand are just along for the ride, quite frankly. While there's no issue if you are town and they don't know what you are, it is a problem if you're scum and are allowed to fakeclaim down the line and manipulate them.
*Also, "confirming" you as town makes you a threat to scum once again, since if you're never going to be lynched they have to worry about keeping people that can be lynched around.



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happydolphin said:
I just want to say at this point I'm pretty much 100% certified town.

Tabs scanned me night 1, the night where tabs was bus-driven, per Mantle's item investigation night 1. And I said all game I did not have an item, and I don't since I'm VT, and the vig's gun was MOST LIKELY hatz'. So it's pretty clear that his Town scan on me isn't bs, and well I know that's a fact but you guys need the certainty of it. This is it.

Good point.

Unless hat's story about being shot at Day 1 is true, which would mean scum had a day-vig also. Thus you could be mafia's day-vig and got swapped Night 1.

I take everything hat says with a sea full of salt, so I don't put much stock into his story. The issue I do have is the idea of mafia swapping tabaha and hat makes absolutely no sense. They wouldn't know they're giving a false positive on tabaha, and likewise the possibility of "confirming" hat as town is dumb. Neither was targeted for the kill, nor was either performing the kill. It's a complete waste of the action.



Linkzmax said:
miz1q2w3e said:

So the bus driver is still out there (confirmed by mantle). I remember happyD was the first to actually mention a bus driver, and I remember linkz called him out. FoS happyD.

And I also haven't forgotten about that major role fishing linkz did on me earlier. HoS linkz. So why did you target me specifically? Was it because I was an easy target? This being my first game, you knew I could be easily pressured into revealing my role. With no one to coach me/ feed me answers (like you said in your supposed theory), it was easy to extract the info you wanted. An easy way to eliminate a power role possibility and not have to waste an action. I don't buy the "confirmed town" excuse.

I wasn't rolefishing, I flat out asked you to claim. And I told everyone I would sametime the information I had with your claim, but you panicked at a few votes so that couldn't happen.

I already explained why it was you. Yes, I felt that if you were scum, then with mafia's goon dying Night 1 would give a higher likelyhood of you actually acting during the night, and with my implied pressure of having a significant track or watch, I thought you might slip and claim something non-Vanilla. And if you were town, which is what I was inclined to believe anyway, then there was no harm done.

You see, you were very naive when you asked about one-shot perhaps meaning once per day. That made it clear you had no action, because such a question wuold have been answered in your role. Scum would know this immediately if you're town, and then you are no danger as far as that goes.* Many townies on the other hand are just along for the ride, quite frankly. While there's no issue if you are town and they don't know what you are, it is a problem if you're scum and are allowed to fakeclaim down the line and manipulate them.
*Also, "confirming" you as town makes you a threat to scum once again, since if you're never going to be lynched they have to worry about keeping people that can be lynched around.

I didn't know that.



Linkzmax said:

Good point.

Unless hat's story about being shot at Day 1 is true, which would mean scum had a day-vig also. Thus you could be mafia's day-vig and got swapped Night 1.

I take everything hat says with a sea full of salt, so I don't put much stock into his story. The issue I do have is the idea of mafia swapping tabaha and hat makes absolutely no sense. They wouldn't know they're giving a false positive on tabaha, and likewise the possibility of "confirming" hat as town is dumb. Neither was targeted for the kill, nor was either performing the kill. It's a complete waste of the action.

That makes sense, and is a good point.

Then, that ties us back to the actual fact... that I was kind of stretching with the hatz thing, maybe hoping to find answers. The truth is, and I've said it before, that mantle was a flavor cop. As such, the item itself says nothing about the player that posesses it. Though I've said it before, it's almost as if I didn't want to, since I wanted to believe we had the answer for night 1...

But alas, I do not know who tabaha was swapped with. It could have been me, but then his scan on me is inconclusive, since he would have ended up scanning himself.

So who had the vig's gun? We'll never know until the end of the game.

I'll have to find another way to prove that I'm town then... I'll figure it out.

For now, you can be certain that, though I was swayed by DT and even though Yosh was crazy for considering the possibility of DT bussing Trucks for town cred, I finally came to my senses when the facts were brought to me, that, actually, it makes no sense that Trucks would make the kill, and that tabs was uncounter-claimed.

That's why you think I was flip-flopping and anti-town, but I was anti-town until I figured out where my logic was wrong and faulty, and then I flipped to be pro-town. But the whole time, I thought I was pro-town, and was playing with Miz and DT, who I trusted most.

Though I still trust Miz, I think we both made the same mistake of trusting DT day 3.

I do want to win, so I'll answer what I can to show that I'm town and that if I played anti-town in your(s) eyes, it was not intentional.



happydolphin said:

Linkzmax said:

Good point.

Unless hat's story about being shot at Day 1 is true, which would mean scum had a day-vig also. Thus you could be mafia's day-vig and got swapped Night 1.

I take everything hat says with a sea full of salt, so I don't put much stock into his story. The issue I do have is the idea of mafia swapping tabaha and hat makes absolutely no sense. They wouldn't know they're giving a false positive on tabaha, and likewise the possibility of "confirming" hat as town is dumb. Neither was targeted for the kill, nor was either performing the kill. It's a complete waste of the action.

That makes sense, and is a good point.

Then, that ties us back to the actual fact... that I was kind of stretching with the hatz thing, maybe hoping to find answers. The truth is, and I've said it before, that mantle was a flavor cop. As such, the item itself says nothing about the player that posesses it. Though I've said it before, it's almost as if I didn't want to, since I wanted to believe we had the answer for night 1...

But alas, I do not know who tabaha was swapped with. It could have been me, but then his scan on me is inconclusive, since he would have ended up scanning himself.

So who had the vig's gun? We'll never know until the end of the game.

I'll have to find another way to prove that I'm town then... I'll figure it out.

For now, you can be certain that, though I was swayed by DT and even though Yosh was crazy for considering the possibility of DT bussing Trucks for town cred, I finally came to my senses when the facts were brought to me, that, actually, it makes no sense that Trucks would make the kill, and that tabs was uncounter-claimed.

That's why you think I was flip-flopping and anti-town, but I was anti-town until I figured out where my logic was wrong and faulty, and then I flipped to be pro-town. But the whole time, I thought I was pro-town, and was playing with Miz and DT, who I trusted most.

Though I still trust Miz, I think we both made the same mistake of trusting DT day 3.

I do want to win, so I'll answer what I can to show that I'm town and that if I played anti-town in your(s) eyes, it was not intentional.

@bold:
I disagree. It would be very conclusive if you were the one swapped with tabaha Night 1.

@underline:
You flip-flopped on me, from thinking I was town for scumhunting, to thinking I was scum when I was quite actively still scumhunting.(It just happened to be you I was mostly focused on)
You flip-flopped on Yoshi as well, from thinking he was heavy town at the end of Day 4, to clearly scum at the beginning of Day 5.

You weren't anti-town for being dense(though you were not the only one) about what I was shouting at everyone for days, until tabaha(or was it Yoshi) explicitly stated what should have been an obvious thought.("What if DT killed prof") You were anti-town for just following the crowd.



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Linkzmax said:
happydolphin said:

Linkzmax said:

Good point.

Unless hat's story about being shot at Day 1 is true, which would mean scum had a day-vig also. Thus you could be mafia's day-vig and got swapped Night 1.

I take everything hat says with a sea full of salt, so I don't put much stock into his story. The issue I do have is the idea of mafia swapping tabaha and hat makes absolutely no sense. They wouldn't know they're giving a false positive on tabaha, and likewise the possibility of "confirming" hat as town is dumb. Neither was targeted for the kill, nor was either performing the kill. It's a complete waste of the action.

That makes sense, and is a good point.

Then, that ties us back to the actual fact... that I was kind of stretching with the hatz thing, maybe hoping to find answers. The truth is, and I've said it before, that mantle was a flavor cop. As such, the item itself says nothing about the player that posesses it. Though I've said it before, it's almost as if I didn't want to, since I wanted to believe we had the answer for night 1...

But alas, I do not know who tabaha was swapped with. It could have been me, but then his scan on me is inconclusive, since he would have ended up scanning himself.

So who had the vig's gun? We'll never know until the end of the game.

I'll have to find another way to prove that I'm town then... I'll figure it out.

For now, you can be certain that, though I was swayed by DT and even though Yosh was crazy for considering the possibility of DT bussing Trucks for town cred, I finally came to my senses when the facts were brought to me, that, actually, it makes no sense that Trucks would make the kill, and that tabs was uncounter-claimed.

That's why you think I was flip-flopping and anti-town, but I was anti-town until I figured out where my logic was wrong and faulty, and then I flipped to be pro-town. But the whole time, I thought I was pro-town, and was playing with Miz and DT, who I trusted most.

Though I still trust Miz, I think we both made the same mistake of trusting DT day 3.

I do want to win, so I'll answer what I can to show that I'm town and that if I played anti-town in your(s) eyes, it was not intentional.

@bold:
I disagree. It would be very conclusive if you were the one swapped with tabaha Night 1.

@underline:
You flip-flopped on me, from thinking I was town for scumhunting, to thinking I was scum when I was quite actively still scumhunting.(It just happened to be you I was mostly focused on)
You flip-flopped on Yoshi as well, from thinking he was heavy town at the end of Day 4, to clearly scum at the beginning of Day 5.

You weren't anti-town for being dense(though you were not the only one) about what I was shouting at everyone for days, until tabaha(or was it Yoshi) explicitly stated what should have been an obvious thought.("What if DT killed prof") You were anti-town for just following the crowd.

@bold. Can you explain? Again, I feel like you're just getting on my bad side and disagreeing for the sake of it. Why would it be conclusive if I was swapped with tabs and he targetted me. It's pretty clear he would target himself and it would yield a town read.

I'm not saying anything in my favor by saying that, in case you saw evil intent in that...

@underlined. I'll addresss once bold is taken care of.



Forgot mantle's actions, eh?



Linkzmax said:
Forgot mantle's actions, eh?

Mantle scanned tabs. We just don't know who tabs was swapped with, since we know that mantle's scan wasn't tabs' item.

I was just following your theory that tabs may have been swapped with me, the only scenario where his scan is inconclusive. If he was swapped with someone else, his scan was clean.



So you're saying if you and tabaha were swapped Night 1 then your alignment is inconclusive?
Or are you just saying something pointless because you wanted to follow my theory to the next step?



Linkzmax said:
So you're saying if you and tabaha were swapped Night 1 then your alignment is inconclusive?
Or are you just saying something pointless because you wanted to follow my theory to the next step?

Bold, as usual, and that was the same for my play day 3. You think I was sheeping, but I was just trying to shed light. I tried bringing the reasonings to their full extent, even drew shit on paper. But alas, you see it as me following needless theories and sheeping thoughts of others.

Of course I use what others say to shed light on things, but I bring in original thought to aid town, and inform it.

I can't help your predisposition, but if you do end up lynching me for the chance that I was bus-driven with tabs day 1 (because almost anyone else could have been bussed with tabs), well then I'll be laughing at you Linkz, cause you were a bitch with me the whole game.