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Stefl1504 on 18 November 2012
DarkThanatos said:
DarkThanatos said:
ARGH. SO MANY ROLES AND FAKECLAIMS.
Right.
I know for a fact that Spurge, Tabaha and Mario CAN'T be not-town- because I only got a result of 2 on night 1.
So that situation is blown out the window.

If both Spurge and Tabaha are not-town that means Mario IS town from day one (Tabaha, Spurge, Linkz, Pezus, DT, Zero, Mario). If Mario is town, that means that Pezus is not town- because Mario says he tracked Pezus to Zero, implying he is the roleblocker and Pezus's claim is a lie. Which directly contradicts my result from day one of only two town.
Therefore I think it is safe to say that both Spurge AND Tabaha can't be non-town.
Anyone disagree with my logic there?

If Mario is town, then that means that Pezus and probably then Linkz are the non-town players (due to Pezus' clearing of Linkz) This would mean both Tabaha and Spurge are town. If they are town, then that means that from day two scum must be two of Prof, Mantle and Stefl.
I think this situation is unlikely now. I think it is safe to assume therfore that Mario IS scum. 
Can anyone disagree with this statement here? Bolded to make it stand out which one I mean.

As it stands right now- everything else gets very messy.
The only person I feel confident is DEFINATELY not town right now in all scenarios is Mario.

Vote Mario

If we all vote Mario tonight, and the players who vote him are Myself, Trucks, Stefl, Zero (Confirmed townies imo) and then the last player is either Tabaha or Prof or Spurge, then I can get a read of how many scum players were on the vote. If it is 1- that player is scum. If it is 0 - that player is town.
This way I can act as a cop and not be roleblocked!

My results show that two scum players voted Radish night one.  If Mario is town, then that means Pezus is definately scum. If Pezus is scum, then that means Linkz is also scum because Pezus cleared them. 

If Pezus and Linkz are scum, then that means Tabaha and Spurge must both be town to ensure the number is still 2. Understand so far? 

If Spurge is town, and Mario is town, then that means that the two not-towns from day two come from You, Prof and Mantle. Which unless you or mantle were scum, can't be true. 

Therefore my initial assumption that Mario is town cannot be true. 

you theorem breaks @bold



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theprof00 on 18 November 2012

Its enough for ME stefl, but dt insists that i visited trucks.
I know tabaha is scum because i was never at trucks, i went to dt.
But i can't convince someone who insists that there must be all this crazy situations in order to fit the belief that I'm scum.



DarkThanatos on 18 November 2012
theprof00 said:
Look.
Either you believe spurge, meaning i cannot be poisoner if i was blocked, but could be mafia, (i am still uncontested) ( oh also a side note. I asked pezus to scan ff. Why would i do that if he was doc? Unless me and pezus are on the same team) that would mean we are two mafia. Remember this point as i continue.
So one of tabaha and spurge are lying because i cant be both blocked and tracked to someone.
Theres another scum. So again, if you believe spurge then there are three mafia here. Me, pezus, and tabaha.
Now there's also the fact that mario said he tracked pezus to zero.
That would mean Pezus is the roleblocker, which conflicts with spurge being a roleblocker.
So if pezus is the roleblocker, then he cant be the coroner.
Which means that unless mafia is automatically notified of their victims roles, mafia could not know if ff was doc.
But ff was supposedly blocked night one, so he couldnt have visited stefl which means he cannot possibly be the doc.

So, whether or not you believe spurge, i simply cannot be scum.
If hes telling the truth, doc ff couldnt visit stefl.
If spurge is lying, then tabaha is telling the truth, which means mario is not a tracker, tabaha is.
Which means pezus wasnt at zero's last night.
Meaning spurge was as was mario.

Meaning pezus is NOT mafia roleblocker.
Furthermore, this means that mafia would have to be spurge, mario, and myself, yet if i am scum and pezus is town...WHY would i want pezus to scan ff?

Scum you could quite easily kill Pezus tonight and stop his scan from coming through, you could then claim "He was killed so that he couldnt scan FF"  and then when asked why you didn't protect him claim "Well DT told me to protect Zero so i did". Your roleblocker could block Stefl the only person who is guarenteed a doc ability. Leaving him open to your scum team to kill him.



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supermario128 on 18 November 2012

Can everyone please vote for Tabaha already. Spurge is also obvious scum claiming role blocker, but I want Tabaha gone first since he was caught in an obvious lie twice already.

Spurge and Tabaha are both scum, trust me.




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DarkThanatos on 18 November 2012
Stefl1504 said:
DarkThanatos said:
DarkThanatos said:
ARGH. SO MANY ROLES AND FAKECLAIMS.
Right.
I know for a fact that Spurge, Tabaha and Mario CAN'T be not-town- because I only got a result of 2 on night 1.
So that situation is blown out the window.

If both Spurge and Tabaha are not-town that means Mario IS town from day one (Tabaha, Spurge, Linkz, Pezus, DT, Zero, Mario). If Mario is town, that means that Pezus is not town- because Mario says he tracked Pezus to Zero, implying he is the roleblocker and Pezus's claim is a lie. Which directly contradicts my result from day one of only two town.
Therefore I think it is safe to say that both Spurge AND Tabaha can't be non-town.
Anyone disagree with my logic there?

If Mario is town, then that means that Pezus and probably then Linkz are the non-town players (due to Pezus' clearing of Linkz) This would mean both Tabaha and Spurge are town. If they are town, then that means that from day two scum must be two of Prof, Mantle and Stefl.
I think this situation is unlikely now. I think it is safe to assume therfore that Mario IS scum. 
Can anyone disagree with this statement here? Bolded to make it stand out which one I mean.

As it stands right now- everything else gets very messy.
The only person I feel confident is DEFINATELY not town right now in all scenarios is Mario.

Vote Mario

If we all vote Mario tonight, and the players who vote him are Myself, Trucks, Stefl, Zero (Confirmed townies imo) and then the last player is either Tabaha or Prof or Spurge, then I can get a read of how many scum players were on the vote. If it is 1- that player is scum. If it is 0 - that player is town.
This way I can act as a cop and not be roleblocked!

My results show that two scum players voted Radish night one.  If Mario is town, then that means Pezus is definately scum. If Pezus is scum, then that means Linkz is also scum because Pezus cleared them. 

If Pezus and Linkz are scum, then that means Tabaha and Spurge must both be town to ensure the number is still 2. Understand so far? 

If Spurge is town, and Mario is town, then that means that the two not-towns from day two come from You, Prof and Mantle. Which unless you or mantle were scum, can't be true. 

Therefore my initial assumption that Mario is town cannot be true. 

you theorem breaks @bold


Why would it break at bold? A scum Pezus would not clear a very suspcious Linkz, because having town think a mafia player is dead is beneficial to them as all these scenarious later on figuring if someone is scum or not depend on them. A scum Pezus would have said that Linkz was Rolecop Mafia, or some other role which can't get confirmed or denied. 



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supermario128 on 18 November 2012

Also, poisoner should kill Spurge tonight if we lynch Tabaha. If we lynch Spurge, Tabaha should be killed.




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DarkThanatos on 18 November 2012
supermario128 said:
Can everyone please vote for Tabaha already. Spurge is also obvious scum claiming role blocker, but I want Tabaha gone first since he was caught in an obvious lie twice already.

Spurge and Tabaha are both scum, trust me.


They can't both be scum. I've already explained this. Even if against all logic and reasoning you were town we would lynch Spurge, because he is roleblocker, and therefore stopping zero. 

You are probably the roleblocker yourself. Or perhaps poisoner. 



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DarkThanatos on 18 November 2012
supermario128 said:
Also, poisoner should kill Spurge tonight if we lynch Tabaha. If we lynch Spurge, Tabaha should be killed.


Again, why would Poisoner help town? HE WOULDN'T. 

I would say do yourself a favour and just stop- but you are further convincing everyone of your scummypoisoner/blockyness



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Stefl1504 on 18 November 2012
DarkThanatos said:
Stefl1504 said:
~quote~

you theorem breaks @bold


Why would it break at bold? A scum Pezus would not clear a very suspcious Linkz, because having town think a mafia player is dead is beneficial to them as all these scenarious later on figuring if someone is scum or not depend on them. A scum Pezus would have said that Linkz was Rolecop Mafia, or some other role which can't get confirmed or denied. 

No, it could just be a scum pezus utilising the truth and fact that linkz IS town in his own advantage if there is any reason for him to flip. I remember defending townies more often than I defended scum as scum. Defending scum is risky, defending a townie, not.



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supermario128 on 18 November 2012
DarkThanatos said:

They can't both be scum. I've already explained this. Even if against all logic and reasoning you were town we would lynch Spurge, because he is roleblocker, and therefore stopping zero. 

You are probably the roleblocker yourself. Or perhaps poisoner. 

So you are saying mafia can't have a godfather?




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