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Of the two main candidates for president, who will win?

Barack Obama 245 75.85%
 
Mitt Romney 73 22.60%
 
Total:318
Allfreedom99 said:

Some may attack me but honestly In some of the polls it doesn't make sense how some are using methodologies that are very similar to 2008.

Here is what is happening:

Independents are leaning to Romney by at least 6 points nationally.

In 2008 Obama held a 8% turnout advantage of Democrats over Republicans.

in 2008 Obama had a very large early vote lead going into the election.

in 2008 McCain was only down from Obama by 3% among Election Day voters.

in 2012 Obama does not have a national lead anywhere near what he had in 2008 among early voters. Mostly I have seen it fairly close.

in Ohio among early voters for example: less democrats have voted than in 2008. More Republicans have voted than in 2008. The numbers show in 2008 in Ohio early voters Obama held a 300,000+ vote advantage over McCain. in 2012 so far Obama only had around a 70,000 early vote advantage over Romney as of yesterday. In 2008 Obama won Ohio by roughly 260,000 votes. Therefore Obama's advantage has all but been eliminated if the same turnout model happens today that happened in 2008.

Ohio has a vast majority of Republican elected public officials as well as in the State congress

In 2010 midterm elections Republican turnout was huge and many Republicans were elected into office. Since 2010 there has not been any real evidence that Republicans/ Independent Tea Party types are less enthusiastic.

It is likely among many enthusiasm gauging that Romney will get more net votes in this election than McCain did in 2008.

It is likely among many enthusiasm gauging that Obama will either get less votes than 2008 or a small chance that it will be about the same. There is very little chance he will get more.

In the 2012 Recall of Governor Scott Walker in Wisconsin the polls were showing that Governor Walker was at serious risk to lose the election. It ended up being he won by a substantial margin. He won by a 7% margin. 53% to 46%.


All this to say if the same turnout margins happen that happened in 2008 then Obama has the edge. If the energy is on the side of Republicans/Conservative types as well as Independents leaning to Romney then its only reasonable that the gap between Republicans and Democrats will not be 8% again. I think at best it will be +3% Democrat over Republican. If thats the case then Romney has a very good shot at winning. If the turn out is even then Romney will win big.

Here is my thoughts on what the swing states will do:

North Carolina: Romney (Solid)
Florida: Romney
Colorado: Romney
Virginia: Romney (Somewhat close)
Ohio: Romney (somewhat close)
Wisconsin: Very Close! I give a slight edge to Romney on this one
New Hampshire: Very Close! I give a slight edge to Romney on this one
Iowa: Very close! I give a slight edge to Romney on this one
Pennsylvania: Close, and could fall either way depending on turnout but edge to Obama
Nevada: Obama
Michigan: Obama
Minnesota: Obama
New Mexico: Obama (Solid)

In Summary this would Tally to:
Romney: 295
Obama: 243

I think both Wisconsin and Pennsylvania will end up being close enough that they could fall either direction. That is especially true if turn out is something like Democrats +3% instead of the Democrats +8% in 2008.

I personally think there are 3 outcomes. Either Obama wins by a slim margin, Romney wins by a slim margin, or Republican and Independent turn out is huge and Romney wins handily. I don't see much of a scenario that shows Obama at a blow out.

Ceiling for Obama is that he takes Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Iowa. And therefore its:

Obama: 303
Romney: 235

Romney's ceiling if Republican/ Conservative Tea party turn out is very large and either matches Democrats or outdo them by +1% or +2% then Romney could take these states: Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, Minnesota, and the 1 separate district Electoral Vote in Maine. And New Mexico, Oregon, and New Jersey would not be out of the realm of possibility But I still think that would be very far fetched. In Romney's ceiling then it could be:

Romney: 348
Obama: 190

In spite of all I have written here Romney has to win Ohio. If not then he has to win Wisconsin, Colorado, and another small state OR Pennsylvania and another small state but if he does not win Ohio then its likely he wouldn't win either of those.



First of all, great response!, thanks!

secondly, i agree that romney needs ohio and one reason why i think that isnt going to happen is the auo bailout.  Obama has done such a great job attacking romney on this issue that Romney is dead to anybody involved in the auto industry.  Ohio has a lot of auto jobs, i just cant see romney getting past this.

i will be pleasently surprised if he does, but i just cant see it happening.



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Salnax said:
yum123 said:
so how long until the official result is out.


Data will start trickling in at 9:00 EST, and will be finalized at 12:00 assuming we have an easy victory for either candidate. Of course, we could theoretically have to spend weeks waiting to see who wins, like in 2000.


Yeah, for example if ohio is close they wont even star looking at the provincial ballots until the 17th...



Soleron said:
The polls say Obama.

Malstrom says Romney.

So... Romney?

Apparently, Romney. The first rigged voting machine was discovered in Pa..
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machine-turns-vote-for-obama-into-one-for-romney/



I just ran a scenario where it ends 269:269 with Obama taking the midwest, Colorado and New Mexico and Romney taking most of the rest. Highly unlikely, but it would be fun. How the elections are decided if that was to be the case?



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
I just ran a scenario where it ends 269:269 with Obama taking the midwest, Colorado and New Mexico and Romney taking most of the rest. Highly unlikely, but it would be fun. How the elections are decided if that was to be the case?

House chooses the president; Senate chooses the vice-president.



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drkohler said:
Soleron said:
The polls say Obama.

Malstrom says Romney.

So... Romney?

Apparently, Romney. The first rigged voting machine was discovered in Pa..
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machine-turns-vote-for-obama-into-one-for-romney/

Not sure about rigged. This has actually been reported to happen in past elections as wel.



GameOver22 said:
drkohler said:
Soleron said:
The polls say Obama.

Malstrom says Romney.

So... Romney?

Apparently, Romney. The first rigged voting machine was discovered in Pa..
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machine-turns-vote-for-obama-into-one-for-romney/

Not sure about rigged. This has actually been reported to happen in past elections as wel.


It's just a calibration screen error.

I see them all the time at my work on Slot machines.

 

His story is BS.  The guy claims he goes into "troubeshoot mode" which is impossible without a control key... as if you could go into calibration mode without one, pretty much any jackass with any knowledge could go in and fuck up voting booths to screw with the candidates they disliked.   Republicans and democrats would get programmers in neighberhoods that were majority against them to go in and fuck up voting booths.

You'll note he doesn't actually show him doing anything he says... because he made it up.



GameOver22 said:
haxxiy said:
I just ran a scenario where it ends 269:269 with Obama taking the midwest, Colorado and New Mexico and Romney taking most of the rest. Highly unlikely, but it would be fun. How the elections are decided if that was to be the case?

House chooses the president; Senate chooses the vice-president.

Mmm. Do they have to appoint among the pre-estabilished candidates according to the post they ran for? In theory could they, err... apoint Obama as vice? 



 

 

 

 

 

Kasz216 said:
GameOver22 said:
drkohler said:
Soleron said:
The polls say Obama.

Malstrom says Romney.

So... Romney?

Apparently, Romney. The first rigged voting machine was discovered in Pa..
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machine-turns-vote-for-obama-into-one-for-romney/

Not sure about rigged. This has actually been reported to happen in past elections as wel.


It's just a calibration screen error.

I see them all the time at my work on Slot machines.

 

His story is BS.  The guy claims he goes into "troubeshoot mode" which is impossible without a control key... as if you could go into calibration mode without one, pretty much any jackass with any knowledge could go in and fuck up voting booths to screw with the candidates they disliked.   Republicans and democrats would get programmers in neighberhoods that were majority against them to go in and fuck up voting booths.

You'll note he doesn't actually show him doing anything he says... because he made it up.

Ahh. .a Republican..

Read the link. Watch youtube. Read the link again, this was real.



haxxiy said:
GameOver22 said:
haxxiy said:
I just ran a scenario where it ends 269:269 with Obama taking the midwest, Colorado and New Mexico and Romney taking most of the rest. Highly unlikely, but it would be fun. How the elections are decided if that was to be the case?

House chooses the president; Senate chooses the vice-president.

Mmm. Do they have to appoint among the pre-estabilished candidates according to the post they ran for? In theory could they, err... apoint Obama as vice? 

I don't know the answer to your question... however that would never happen and I would think they would need to choose president and vice the way they were on the ballot considering thats who we voted for that resulted in a tie