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o_O.Q on 02 November 2012
Kenology said:
VGKing said:
Kenology said:

Wonder what pezus and oniyide have to say about this...

Anyways, as I've been saying for two months now, I always predicted that the PS4 wouldn't be the graphical leap that so many were expecting. Some Sony fans think I'm crazy and proceeded the knock the Wii U for not being the leap over the PS360 that the want and said the PS4 would be just that. I wonder if they change their tune once the PS4 isn't the leap that they expect and suddenly become fine with the PS4 being "underpowered" (the word they used to describe the Wii U) after knocking the Wii U so much for not being a huge leap. Not saying the OP is true. But I don't doubt that it may end up being true.

We shall see!

 

EDIT:  I don't think the WiiU had anything to do with this decision, assuming it's true.  It's moreso Sony learning its lesson that a powerful Godbox that's expensive to develop for and selling at a loss will mean the end of them.

Did you not read these specs? 8-16gigs of RAM(4-8 for retail versions) and one of the newest AMD APUs. 
From the looks of this, this is already a much better console than the PS3. I'd say at the very least, 2 Wii U's taped together.

The thing about the Wii U is that it is a weak console for being next-gen. Especially considering the fact that it is directly competing with 360/PS3 right now. We haven't seen any games that give off that next-gen vibe.(not power-wise). With Wii U its all about the controller. If it wasn't for that controller, the Wii U could be launching in 2 weeks at $250. Compare this to the PS4 which will most likely launch at $400.

I don't read stats, so don't be mad and defensive.  I'm not really interested in fighting with you over something you seem to be so emotionally invested in.  Your response had nothing to do with what I said.  You're talking about Wii U, I'm talking about PS4.  But two Wii U's taped together is not the major leap I think most are expecting from previous conversations I've had with people which YOU were NOT apart of.  Not interested in talking about Wii U's power relative to being next gen or not, it's not an issue for me.  My point is it'll be interesting what people's response will be once the PS4 is confirmed to not be as powerful as many folks think and how everyone who bashed the Wii U for being "underpowered" will react (which I anticipate they'll all of a sudden be ok with a marginal leap!).  It's just speculation on my part though.  PS4 could be a Godbox again, who knows.  But I doubt it.

can you quantify exactly how powerful these people you refer to expected the ps4 to be?



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runqvist on 02 November 2012
Nem said:
runqvist said:
Wii U had no effect on MS/Sony.

I am now hoping that Sony will release a lower spec console while MS releases a powerhouse. MS can take some losses with no problem and it just might lead to huge victory. Mmmm.. Imagine, a 70% marketshare MS console. That would be so sweet.

You are daydreaming. How did that work for microsoft in the PS2 era? history has proven us time and again that the most powerful system almost never wins.

There is logic to it, if you care to think about it.

Also, the Xbox will never be sucessful in Japan and europe in Sonyland. Microsoft pretty much maxed out their potencial this gen. The only way they can get more is if one of the other 2 mess up bad.

Your post is just wishful thinking.

Sony/Nintendo can have Japan, it is pretty much irrelevant from my perspective. 360 has sold almost as much in Europe as Xbox did worldwide. Who are you to say that they won't be the top dog next gen?



VGKing on 02 November 2012
JoeTheBro said:
Chark said:
What if the Wii U doesn't sell well and Sony releases a more powerful console for $300/$350 and Nintendo slashes the price by $70. I say Sony is DOOOOMMED. Nintendo Flawless Victory!


I'd be happy with that. Sure the playstation would probably sell only 3 million in its first eight months but it would be a powerhouse.

Seriously I thought this sight was mostly Sony fans and yet only like three of us want a beast. I've predicted for years that it will be $450 and by using a Vita approach with off the shelf parts that could mean upwards of ten times what the PS3 can do. Please Sony, make my eyes bleed!

PS3 managed to sell ~4million within 8 months at $600 launch price. I'd say a $300 PS4 would easily sell near double that.

The Wii in comparision sold near 10mil within the same time frame and that launched at $250.



VGKing on 02 November 2012
runqvist said:
Nem said:
runqvist said:
Wii U had no effect on MS/Sony.

I am now hoping that Sony will release a lower spec console while MS releases a powerhouse. MS can take some losses with no problem and it just might lead to huge victory. Mmmm.. Imagine, a 70% marketshare MS console. That would be so sweet.

You are daydreaming. How did that work for microsoft in the PS2 era? history has proven us time and again that the most powerful system almost never wins.

There is logic to it, if you care to think about it.

Also, the Xbox will never be sucessful in Japan and europe in Sonyland. Microsoft pretty much maxed out their potencial this gen. The only way they can get more is if one of the other 2 mess up bad.

Your post is just wishful thinking.

Sony/Nintendo can have Japan, it is pretty much irrelevant from my perspective. 360 has sold almost as much in Europe as Xbox did worldwide. Who are you to say that they won't be the top dog next gen?

Definitely possible. Xbox brand is still growing worldwide, while Playstation has shrunk. Vita isn't doing it any favors.....
But next-gen everything can change. Sony can take back America.(if Nintendo doesn't by the time PS4 launches and if Microsoft launches after them)



Soleron on 02 November 2012

In this thread: people using PC standards to say what console hardware can do. Remember the PS3 GPU was a 7900GT that doesn't even have programmable shaders. We also don't know the clockspeed or shader count of it; I doubt Sony is using an off-the-shelf die you could find in a laptop.



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Cthulhu on 02 November 2012

I dont understand why people do not want an ultra powerful console.

I am asking this as a gamer to a gamer



JoeTheBro on 02 November 2012
VGKing said:
JoeTheBro said:
Chark said:
What if the Wii U doesn't sell well and Sony releases a more powerful console for $300/$350 and Nintendo slashes the price by $70. I say Sony is DOOOOMMED. Nintendo Flawless Victory!


I'd be happy with that. Sure the playstation would probably sell only 3 million in its first eight months but it would be a powerhouse.

Seriously I thought this sight was mostly Sony fans and yet only like three of us want a beast. I've predicted for years that it will be $450 and by using a Vita approach with off the shelf parts that could mean upwards of ten times what the PS3 can do. Please Sony, make my eyes bleed!

PS3 managed to sell ~4million within 8 months at $600 launch price. I'd say a $300 PS4 would easily sell near double that.

The Wii in comparision sold near 10mil within the same time frame and that launched at $250.


It was a jab on Vita, nothing serious.



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Adinnieken on 02 November 2012

People spend a lot of time debating a simple question. The answer is No. The Wii U did not influence anything about the PS4. Sony did not decide last year what the specs would be for the PS4. While some of those specs might be fluid, they had a base idea of what they wanted to achieve with the PS4 and that'll be what's rolling out with the dev kits.

Companies don't completely change their game plan based on a product that hasn't released, especially if they felt no matter what Nintendo did the PS4 would be more powerful.

How powerful the PS4 will be, whether it'll be several orders of magnitude greater than the Wii U and how graphically powerful it'll be will be up to debate, but I think now is a bit early. There are a lot of rumors, this article included, and until the actual hardware is clarified it won't make a difference what people think.

I love debating hardware, but it does my tits in to debate rumors as if they're factual.  It's like trying debating which gust of wind was more powerful.



VGKing on 02 November 2012
Cthulhu said:
I dont understand why people do not want an ultra powerful console.

I am asking this as a gamer to a gamer

I'm sure everyone wants an ultra powerful console, they just dont' want to pay $600 for it.

I would be fine paying $600 for a PS4 if it meant it was a beast of a machine, but a pricepoint that high would alienate many Playstation fans and force them to go to a cheaper alternative.



joeorc on 02 November 2012

current CTO of Hardware development  over@ Sony Computer Entertainment already stated what type of design their doing 3D stacked chips for the PS4

the PSVita already uses Stacked Chips

http://www.i-micronews.com/news/Sony-wide-IO-memory-Playstation-Vita,9334.html

 

It appears that Sony is once again a “3DIC” leader showing that wide IO memory can be used without having to introduce HVM TSV technology which most assuredly, at this point in 3DIC evolution, would have been a costlier option which would have taken significantly longer to implement.

Earlier this year Masaaki Tsuruta, CTO of Sony Computer Entertainment, indicated that there will likely be a 3D stack incorporating TSV technology in the next generation console. Sony's target of no more than 50ms latency even for 8k x 4k resolution at 300fps, clearly points to the need for a highly integrated TSV-based package although Tsuruta warned "We will have to work with a lot of third-party partners to make these things happen."

Sony plans to use TSV for its next gaming station CPU/GPU
 
Sony Computer Entertainment is planning on a much longer shelf life for its next generation PlayStation gaming console with a strategy that appears to be based around refreshing the platform over its lifetime with a series of high profile, cutting edge technology including TSV interconnects base packaging.
Masaaki Tsuruta, CTO of Sony Computer Entertainment, says that the company is working on a system-on-chip (SoC) to underpin the product for "seven to 10 years". The PlayStation 3 will be at least seven years old by the time its successor arrives, but is generally considered to have lasted longer than was originally expected. A firm launch for the fourth generation console - not to be called PlayStation 4 - was pushed out again late last year. Its designed-in longevity is largely a matter of economics. 

The Cell Broadband Engine that powered the PS3 cost $400m to develop; the main SoC for the incoming console is likely to be a 3D stack incorporating thru-silicon-via technology and could be the first $1bn hardware design project. “We have to look at two things,” Tsuruta-san says, “return-on-investment (ROI) and turnaround time (TAT).” The ROI issue, given the further costs of bringing a new PS to market (software, marketing, etc), means that Sony will be looking at a number of years and revs of the machine's insides.


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