lol galaki.
*shakes head*
You know he's right haha

You just can't lose. Amazing.

Really, everybody knows it's "big games". BTW, the OP doesn't say what games it needs. It merely states that it doesn't have exclusive third party games, and that that's pretty important to have. And that's a fact, except for you, of course, but I think the whole world would agree PSP would be way less than it is without Crisis Core or, especially, Monster Hunter.

Vita does not need a truckload of games (Hey, I'll do a TheProf00 here! "See, guys he's saying here Vita HAS NO GAEMZ! GET HIM, BURN HIM" - [see how dumb this is?]). It needs to keep the pace, sure, but also needs hand picked games that really shake the market, having legs, prefererably.  I'm not saying a hundred games more is bad, I'm saying that since its selling like that won't get a truckload of games anyway - like it's not getting now! But right business strategies can put strategically important games for it, with that managing to get that truckload of support later.

I didn't say anywhere that the dedicated Mario games are bad. I will pass on getting NSMB2, but I will be getting 3D Land soon. From what I've played of NSMB2 it just feels like the first "New" Mario title from the DS and the Wii game. However, 3D Land feels fresh to me. But that is just my opinion though.

Also Sony needs to do what Nintendo did and get high quality other products out there. I also didn't say what Nintendo did was wrong, because they do have the most recognizable characters in the gaming industry. I think more people are starting to recognize Nathan Drake, Sackboy (be it from the games or just how different he looks), Kratos, however, Sony is far from being able to have an Uncharted game sell 20 million units, but who knows. It might happen someday.

Only going to say one thing (more will require an other thread) those examples you said only applied to Mario and some other of the same universe (Pokemon can be here as well). I don't see Fox, Link, Samus, Marth, Kirby, DK, Captain Falcon, Olimar, Ness, Pit, etc. on all those things you mentioned. (except of course consoles, handhelds and Link on the CD-i xD)

This is one of the problems of moving the goal posts to many times Vic. You've moved the goal to so many different areas that it isn't possible to ever have a solution that both sides can cleanly walk away from. Because no company has really announced how they view 2013 as far as releases passed the first 3 months of the year. And that is where Sony has most of their bigger releases.

And throwing personal attacks on someone to distract from the debate isn't helping either. So I don't know what you are now trying to accomplish. I really hope the goal doesn't get moved again, because this is just dragging on and on.

Exactly you are right, 3rd party exclusives aren't the only thing needed but if you have nothing else then you are probably screwed. What about the Xbox, PS3 or Wii? The Wii didn't need them because of Ninty, the Wii did have it though (MH3, Just Dance, and many other games the 360/PS3 didn't have). The Xbox had first party along side 3rd party games the Wii never got and the PS3 got but because of a smaller userbase and more expensive price tag, alot of the fanbase of those games would purchase a 360. The PS3 had Sony's first party and the 3rd party support only the it and the 360 had. So yes that is correct, they technically didn't need 3rd party exclusives but the Vita can't get what they received. There aren't many big 3rd party games for handhelds, so relying on multiplats wouldn't work like it did for 360 and PS3. The biggest 3rd party games for handhelds are usually exclusive (MH, DQ). The Wii had major first party support, the Vita definitely can't copy that. A year isn't a brief period, 3rd parties don't want to just throw their money away and release games for the Vita that may not be successful thanks to a small userbase. So what happens now could decide its fate. The PS3 had the benefit of receiving major 3rd party multiplats and also had a rich Sony that was willing to pay anything to get it to sell. The Vita has a not so rich Sony and virtually no major 3rd party multiplats coming. When it comes to handhelds 3rd party exclusives are pretty important if you aren't Ninty. What he is saying about handhelds is pretty accurate unless you are Ninty. You are right if you are talking about home consoles. Home consoles don't need 3rd party exclusives because 3rd party games are big enough to sell platforms for both. The PSP had major 3rd party exclusives, the DS had major 1st party exclusives, the 3DS has both, and the Vita has neither.

I don't have the energy to argue this point. Nintendo's history shows they have placed their characters on a multitude of mediums.

Victory - Me

Victory - You

There this is now over. Because there is no reason to argue this point. We agree on Mario being a whore for Nintendo.

Oh I know

VITA has virtually ZERO Exclusive Third Party games announced for next year!

"Just boxed games announced."

A nice, coy, simple "exclusive, boxed, announced third party games". It's laughable to look at a metric like this! Maybe you think it makes sense, but it really doesn't! If anyone were to use such a small niche, I couldn't count how many people would disagree.

"I personally think this is what a real problem is"

You even emphasized 'this'!

@second paragraph
except that's not what I do. I do not demonize people by skewing what they are saying. You said this, are now changing your meaning after I confronted your initial point, and are just NOW saying that I caused the spin!

Business strategy is supporting the console by building the library further, convincing devs to further support the system, and continuing to increase the console's value. In time, as proven historically by nearly every console, the library sells consoles, which in turn makes devs want to take advantage, which creates more support, which further builds the library, etc etc etc.

All you have for evidence backing your "prediction" is the lack of this specific niche, much less the OBVIOUS that it will not sell as much without a pricecut.

Again, and I don't know how more clear cut it gets than this. vita is in a bad spot. It needs more games, more than is currently announced. It has nothing to do specifically with third party exclusive boxed retail games. You would also know that most games for next autumn wouldn't be announced at this point, and not a lot of games are released during the summer, so you're time-period really is only the first 6 months of the next year, skipping over the next 2 months before christmas.

There are a lot of problems, but this is not a real problem.

4 very strong franchises is a stretch, more like 1 strong(GT), 2 moderate(Uncharted, GoW) and the rest are mediocre. Ninty definitely doesn't have more recognizable characters because of that. Animal Crossing, Wii series, Nintendogs, etc.. say hello and weren't slapped on everything possible lol. Sony is getting a real test here, can their platforms survive on their franchises only, the answer is clearly no.