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spurgeonryan said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
spurgeonryan said:
No I was not.

@ marcus


Something like then I guess half the planet is going to hell. To damned bad for them! Plus other things that took up a whole page. The bathrrom was the first time he ever saw me so No worries abut them knowing t was me. I just drink their coffee and eat their fig newton's.

ok no bother. i'm still not sure i can believe you actually saw him but naked, but it's highly possible. i doubt there's any room left in hell. god may be on an incentive based plan

 

No. He is serioulsy a 300 lb white guys with no hair and a goatee. sorry I was too surprised to notice what he was carrying down below.



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kain_kusanagi said:
DarkD said:
The way I see it, if you believe in the religion, you should follow the original text of the bible "precisely". Its not giving you advice, it's giving you the word of God.... So why the hell do people keep trying to find loopholes in it. Personally I'm atheist, but what I don't understand is that if this is the word of God, how can you possibly say "Ok I like this rule ill follow that one. I don't like this other one because it's inconvenient to me, so I won't follow this one." As far as im concerned 99% of the worlds population are secret atheists who refuse to admit it.

The whole bible isn't as straight forward as the 10 Commandments. The English version is a translation of a translation. Most of the new bible is stories meant to teach a lesson about how to treat each other or how to be more like God. The new testament replaces many of the teachings of the old testament.

Different churches interpret it differently. It's not a matter of finding loop holes or picking and choosing. It's a matter of deciding what it means to you.

The religious people of the world are not secret atheists. They are just regular flawed people who have faith. That just doesn't make sense to you because you don't have that faith.

 

Interpretation wasn't his point.  He was saying that most religious people are hypocrital, because they claim to follow Christian teachings yet many times do the opposite, probably without even realizing sometimes.  For example... The Bible says homosexual activity is an abomination and that those who engage in that behavior be put to death.  It also says you cannot mix cotton and linen, and that if you work on the Sabbath you be stoned to death.  How many Christians in westernized civilization approve of stoning people to death for working on Sunday or killing homosexuals?  Essentially none. 

If someone says they believe in the Bible literally, then they are either criminally insane, or they've never actually read the Bible.



 

I'm amazed how, for lack of a better word/term, how "clueless" and "ignorant" many people are about the Bible. People who spend absolutely no time reading or dedicated to understanding the Bible, have definitive opinions bout the Bible.



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spurgeonryan said:

Lat Sunday I was sitting in the lounge listening to my pastor talk about something. i do not remember I was drinking coffee and watching the space jump. This was also the Sunday where i walked in on him in a public bathroom and he was butt naked.

 

Anyways, i started looking through one of they're brochures when he cut the sermon short so that they could baptize people for an hour. Inside it said you should never get divorced ever or you will sin. If you do happen to get divorced you may "Never" be with another human being1 I then wrote what  thought about that on the brochure and threw it in the offering jar as it went by to make more money for more brochurs that teach lies.

 

is that s.me bullshit or what? Not sure if i wll go back there even though they have great coffee1


I lol'ed and i'll leave it at that.



DaRev said:
I'm amazed how, for lack of a better word/term, how "clueless" and "ignorant" many people are about the Bible. People who spend absolutely no time reading or dedicated to understanding the Bible, have definitive opinions bout the Bible.


I tried to read the King James version Bible when I was younger.  I just kept falling asleep.  One of the best sleep aids ever in my opinion.



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sperrico87 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
DarkD said:
The way I see it, if you believe in the religion, you should follow the original text of the bible "precisely". Its not giving you advice, it's giving you the word of God.... So why the hell do people keep trying to find loopholes in it. Personally I'm atheist, but what I don't understand is that if this is the word of God, how can you possibly say "Ok I like this rule ill follow that one. I don't like this other one because it's inconvenient to me, so I won't follow this one." As far as im concerned 99% of the worlds population are secret atheists who refuse to admit it.

The whole bible isn't as straight forward as the 10 Commandments. The English version is a translation of a translation. Most of the new bible is stories meant to teach a lesson about how to treat each other or how to be more like God. The new testament replaces many of the teachings of the old testament.

Different churches interpret it differently. It's not a matter of finding loop holes or picking and choosing. It's a matter of deciding what it means to you.

The religious people of the world are not secret atheists. They are just regular flawed people who have faith. That just doesn't make sense to you because you don't have that faith.

 

Interpretation wasn't his point.  He was saying that most religious people are hypocrital, because they claim to follow Christian teachings yet many times do the opposite, probably without even realizing sometimes.  For example... The Bible says homosexual activity is an abomination and that those who engage in that behavior be put to death.  It also says you cannot mix cotton and linen, and that if you work on the Sabbath you be stoned to death.  How many Christians in westernized civilization approve of stoning people to death for working on Sunday or killing homosexuals?  Essentially none. 

If someone says they believe in the Bible literally, then they are either criminally insane, or they've never actually read the Bible.

For example, this ignorant junk above. Yes the bible says homosexuality (like many other sexual sins, e.g. sex with your parents) is an abomination onto the Lord, and those who practice homosexuality or any other sin will be put to death,...the part you don't understand or where your ignorance comes in is that, you don't understand that God is our only judge and Jesus died for all our sins, including Homosexuality.

So, I, you, or no other person has the right to condem or judge a Homosexualy person or any other sinner. The most we can do is tell them about how God wants them to live, and they either accept that or not. God, not any man, then does the judging of that person at their death.

As an example, in the Bible a woman was caught in adultery, then the Jewish ignorants brought her to Jesus to be stoned to death, but Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone. Essentially Jesus was showing in principle no man or woman has any right WHATSOVER to judge another person - it is only God that judges, for only he is perfect. And to hammer home the point, Jesus himself being perfect and sinless also did not condem or judge the woman - what he did however was told her to go her way and sin no more, he forgave her of her sin - and was later himself put to death, by the Jewish ignorants, for this and other reasons.

People in these threads always take much less than half an understanding of the Bible and think they know the whole story or the whole truth about the Bible, but you don't. 



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DaRev said:
sperrico87 said:

Interpretation wasn't his point.  He was saying that most religious people are hypocrital, because they claim to follow Christian teachings yet many times do the opposite, probably without even realizing sometimes.  For example... The Bible says homosexual activity is an abomination and that those who engage in that behavior be put to death.  It also says you cannot mix cotton and linen, and that if you work on the Sabbath you be stoned to death.  How many Christians in westernized civilization approve of stoning people to death for working on Sunday or killing homosexuals?  Essentially none. 

If someone says they believe in the Bible literally, then they are either criminally insane, or they've never actually read the Bible.

For example, this ignorant junk above. Yes the bible says homosexuality (like many other sexual sins, e.g. sex with your parents) is an abomination onto the Lord, and those who practice homosexuality or any other sin will be put to death,...the part you don't understand or where your ignorance comes in is that, you don't understand that God is our only judge and Jesus died for all our sins, including Homosexuality.

So, I, you, or no other person has the right to condem or judge a Homosexualy person or any other sinner. The most we can do is tell them about how God wants them to live, and they either accept that or not. God, not any man, then does the judging of that person at their death.

As an example, in the Bible a woman was caught in adultery, then the Jewish ignorants brought her to Jesus to be stoned to death, but Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone. Essentially Jesus was showing in principle no man or woman has any right WHATSOVER to judge another person - it is only God that judges, for only he is perfect. And to hammer home the point, Jesus himself being perfect and sinless also did not condem or judge the woman - what he did however was told her to go her way and sin no more, he forgave her of her sin - and was later himself put to death, by the Jewish ignorants, for this and other reasons.

People in these threads always take much less than half an understanding of the Bible and think they know the whole story or the whole truth about the Bible, but you don't. 

You have completely misunderstood my point.  I'm not a religious person, and I don't condemn homosexual behavior.  I was pointing out the hypocrisy of people who say they believe everything they read in the Bible, yet when examples like homosexuality are brought up, those parts are cast off as old-fashioned and no longer apply because "times have changed". 



 

sperrico87 said:
DaRev said:
sperrico87 said:
 

Interpretation wasn't his point.  He was saying that most religious people are hypocrital, because they claim to follow Christian teachings yet many times do the opposite, probably without even realizing sometimes.  For example... The Bible says homosexual activity is an abomination and that those who engage in that behavior be put to death.  It also says you cannot mix cotton and linen, and that if you work on the Sabbath you be stoned to death.  How many Christians in westernized civilization approve of stoning people to death for working on Sunday or killing homosexuals?  Essentially none. 

If someone says they believe in the Bible literally, then they are either criminally insane, or they've never actually read the Bible.

For example, this ignorant junk above. Yes the bible says homosexuality (like many other sexual sins, e.g. sex with your parents) is an abomination onto the Lord, and those who practice homosexuality or any other sin will be put to death,...the part you don't understand or where your ignorance comes in is that, you don't understand that God is our only judge and Jesus died for all our sins, including Homosexuality.

So, I, you, or no other person has the right to condem or judge a Homosexualy person or any other sinner. The most we can do is tell them about how God wants them to live, and they either accept that or not. God, not any man, then does the judging of that person at their death.

As an example, in the Bible a woman was caught in adultery, then the Jewish ignorants brought her to Jesus to be stoned to death, but Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone. Essentially Jesus was showing in principle no man or woman has any right WHATSOVER to judge another person - it is only God that judges, for only he is perfect. And to hammer home the point, Jesus himself being perfect and sinless also did not condem or judge the woman - what he did however was told her to go her way and sin no more, he forgave her of her sin - and was later himself put to death, by the Jewish ignorants, for this and other reasons.

People in these threads always take much less than half an understanding of the Bible and think they know the whole story or the whole truth about the Bible, but you don't. 

You have completely misunderstood my point.  I'm not a religious person, and I don't condemn homosexual behavior.  I was pointing out the hypocrisy of people who say they believe everything they read in the Bible, yet when examples like homosexuality are brought up, those parts are cast off as old-fashioned and no longer apply because "times have changed". 

You're mixing old and new testaments. Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. Jesus taught us to love each other.

The Old Testament served its purpose before Jesus arrived. Now it is a historical document that is most important for it's prophecy of the messiah.

Jesus arrived and updated God's word. The New Testament is the replacement for the outdated Torah. The Old Testament says to stone, Jesus says not to throw stones. That's not a contraction, it's a correction. The Torah/Old Testament is full of misinterpretations because all of it comes second or third hand while Jesus' word is God's word.

Christians who judge others for their sins are mistakenly focusing on the Old Testament when they should just consider to what Jesus said.



kain_kusanagi said:
sperrico87 said:
DaRev said:
sperrico87 said:
 

Interpretation wasn't his point.  He was saying that most religious people are hypocrital, because they claim to follow Christian teachings yet many times do the opposite, probably without even realizing sometimes.  For example... The Bible says homosexual activity is an abomination and that those who engage in that behavior be put to death.  It also says you cannot mix cotton and linen, and that if you work on the Sabbath you be stoned to death.  How many Christians in westernized civilization approve of stoning people to death for working on Sunday or killing homosexuals?  Essentially none. 

If someone says they believe in the Bible literally, then they are either criminally insane, or they've never actually read the Bible.

For example, this ignorant junk above. Yes the bible says homosexuality (like many other sexual sins, e.g. sex with your parents) is an abomination onto the Lord, and those who practice homosexuality or any other sin will be put to death,...the part you don't understand or where your ignorance comes in is that, you don't understand that God is our only judge and Jesus died for all our sins, including Homosexuality.

So, I, you, or no other person has the right to condem or judge a Homosexualy person or any other sinner. The most we can do is tell them about how God wants them to live, and they either accept that or not. God, not any man, then does the judging of that person at their death.

As an example, in the Bible a woman was caught in adultery, then the Jewish ignorants brought her to Jesus to be stoned to death, but Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone. Essentially Jesus was showing in principle no man or woman has any right WHATSOVER to judge another person - it is only God that judges, for only he is perfect. And to hammer home the point, Jesus himself being perfect and sinless also did not condem or judge the woman - what he did however was told her to go her way and sin no more, he forgave her of her sin - and was later himself put to death, by the Jewish ignorants, for this and other reasons.

People in these threads always take much less than half an understanding of the Bible and think they know the whole story or the whole truth about the Bible, but you don't. 

You have completely misunderstood my point.  I'm not a religious person, and I don't condemn homosexual behavior.  I was pointing out the hypocrisy of people who say they believe everything they read in the Bible, yet when examples like homosexuality are brought up, those parts are cast off as old-fashioned and no longer apply because "times have changed". 

You're mixing old and new testaments. Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. Jesus taught us to love each other.

The Old Testament served its purpose before Jesus arrived. Now it is a historical document that is most important for it's prophecy of the messiah.

Jesus arrived and updated God's word. The New Testament is the replacement for the outdated Torah. The Old Testament says to stone, Jesus says not to throw stones. That's not a contraction, it's a correction. The Torah/Old Testament is full of misinterpretations because all of it comes second or third hand while Jesus' word is God's word.

Christians who judge others for their sins are mistakenly focusing on the Old Testament when they should just consider to what Jesus said.


Its so tempting... but i wont.



Nem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
sperrico87 said:
DaRev said:
sperrico87 said:
 

Interpretation wasn't his point.  He was saying that most religious people are hypocrital, because they claim to follow Christian teachings yet many times do the opposite, probably without even realizing sometimes.  For example... The Bible says homosexual activity is an abomination and that those who engage in that behavior be put to death.  It also says you cannot mix cotton and linen, and that if you work on the Sabbath you be stoned to death.  How many Christians in westernized civilization approve of stoning people to death for working on Sunday or killing homosexuals?  Essentially none. 

If someone says they believe in the Bible literally, then they are either criminally insane, or they've never actually read the Bible.

For example, this ignorant junk above. Yes the bible says homosexuality (like many other sexual sins, e.g. sex with your parents) is an abomination onto the Lord, and those who practice homosexuality or any other sin will be put to death,...the part you don't understand or where your ignorance comes in is that, you don't understand that God is our only judge and Jesus died for all our sins, including Homosexuality.

So, I, you, or no other person has the right to condem or judge a Homosexualy person or any other sinner. The most we can do is tell them about how God wants them to live, and they either accept that or not. God, not any man, then does the judging of that person at their death.

As an example, in the Bible a woman was caught in adultery, then the Jewish ignorants brought her to Jesus to be stoned to death, but Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone. Essentially Jesus was showing in principle no man or woman has any right WHATSOVER to judge another person - it is only God that judges, for only he is perfect. And to hammer home the point, Jesus himself being perfect and sinless also did not condem or judge the woman - what he did however was told her to go her way and sin no more, he forgave her of her sin - and was later himself put to death, by the Jewish ignorants, for this and other reasons.

People in these threads always take much less than half an understanding of the Bible and think they know the whole story or the whole truth about the Bible, but you don't. 

You have completely misunderstood my point.  I'm not a religious person, and I don't condemn homosexual behavior.  I was pointing out the hypocrisy of people who say they believe everything they read in the Bible, yet when examples like homosexuality are brought up, those parts are cast off as old-fashioned and no longer apply because "times have changed". 

You're mixing old and new testaments. Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. Jesus taught us to love each other.

The Old Testament served its purpose before Jesus arrived. Now it is a historical document that is most important for it's prophecy of the messiah.

Jesus arrived and updated God's word. The New Testament is the replacement for the outdated Torah. The Old Testament says to stone, Jesus says not to throw stones. That's not a contraction, it's a correction. The Torah/Old Testament is full of misinterpretations because all of it comes second or third hand while Jesus' word is God's word.

Christians who judge others for their sins are mistakenly focusing on the Old Testament when they should just consider to what Jesus said.


Its so tempting... but i wont.

The Devil tempts,...anyways, go right ahead and make your comment, so that people like myself that do know something about the Bible can expose your ignorance, in a Godly way of course



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