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Who won the 2nd debate?

President Barack Obama 299 57.72%
 
Governor MItt Romney 149 28.76%
 
Nobody/tie 70 13.51%
 
Total:518

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literally impossible.



theprof00 said:
literally impossible.


what is?



chocoloco said:
kitler53 said:

so i just wanted to post how impressively worked up my wife is on the "binders full of women" statement.  she posted this to her facebook...





gergroy said:
theprof00 said:
literally impossible.


what is?

2:1



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theprof00 said:
killerzX said:
theprof00 said:
killerzX said:


i already posted the transcipt of his speech. its clear he didnt call it a terror attack. words and context matter like you say.

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

"exactly so you agree with me. he didnt call it an act of terror. he said acts of terror wont shake our resolve" soo, he just saying acts of terror wont shake us. he wasnt calling the bengazi thing a terrorist attack."

"Crazy republicans all think the worst of Obama.
It was a pleasure speakign with you, as always."

"me, a republican?"

 

english.

 

something apparrently foreign to you. as i have posted what obama said. and people with basic understandings of english can see at no point did he call the attack on the embessy a torror attack. In fact he alludes to the anti-muhammed video being to blame. and ommits the word terror every time he he mention the libyia attack.

That was AFTER this first statement.

There is only one thing you are right about here, that he did not specifically say "this was an act of terror".

What he did say was "we will not tolerate acts of terror. Today we bury four of our best. We will not let this stop us from prsuing justice, and finding the people responsible".

If he was talking about a riot, why would he refer to the people as if they were an entity? If he was talking about a riot, why would he say, tonight, that he said he called it an act of terror. He allowed Romney to say other things that weren't true. Why would he vehemently be against what Romney said if he didn't say it? Was he TRYING to make himself look like a liar? No. He said tonight that he called it an act of terror because he himself believed to be implying it when he said it.

no in his speech he alludes to it before he even says the word terror. i bolded it in the transcript. and in a press release the same day (which i posted too) makes no mention of terror (as this one doesnt talk about 9/11, which is the context of his speech use of "terror"), but again alludes to the video. and this all makes more and more sense after watching the days following and seeing them blame the video, and not mention terror. 

I will admit he was likely bridging his mention of the 9/11 terror attack with calling what these people did was "an act of terror" but not in the sense that it was a planned cordinated terror plot perpertraited by the likes of al queda. In more of a general sense that killing people is "an act of terror".

but its still quite clear that obama was not calling it cordinated terror attack, but a spontaneous mob attack. which is consistant in his follwong statements by him and his adminastration. 

and its definetely something Candy had no business throwing her opinion in, throwing a flag so to speek. and it certainly isnt something Romeny got justifably called out on as the media (like msnbc) whats the narrative to be. and unfortunately it likely will be the narrative.

so a can agree with you to an extent, that they were both right. but not in the way that obama in his speech admitted it being a plotted cordinted terrorist attack plotted by a terrorist cell,( which is what romney was calling it), but a spontaneous mob terror attack, random, and due to a youtube video. 

 

so hopefully we can find some common ground



theprof00 said:
gergroy said:
theprof00 said:
literally impossible.


what is?

2:1


feel free to prove me wrong, but the two polls I can remember off the top of my head were CNN 67 to 25 and CBS 44 to 21.  I remember seeing more, but I don't remember the exact numbers.  I just remember that Romney was considered the winner by at least a 2 to 1 margin in all of them.  



theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Are you not going to respond to what I said killerx?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/16/fact-check-libya-attack/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/from-video-to-terrorist-attack-a-definitive-timeline-of-administration-statements-on-the-libya-attack/2012/09/26/86105782-0826-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

don't care, kasz.

I read the transcript, and it appears to me that in English, while not specifically calling it that, the context provides that he was referring to it, otherwise there was no point to bring up terrorism or trangressors save for brining up the anniversary of 9/11 which just so happened was in no way related to what he was talking about except for sharing the same date.


actually it was 9//11 was brought up in his speech. did you read the transcript i posted?



killerzX said:

no in his speech he alludes to it before he even says the word terror. i bolded it in the transcript. and in a press release the same day (which i posted too) makes no mention of terror (as this one doesnt talk about 9/11, which is the context of his speech use of "terror"), but again alludes to the video. and this all makes more and more sense after watching the days following and seeing them blame the video, and not mention terror. 

I will admit he was likely bridging his mention of the 9/11 terror attack with calling what these people did was "an act of terror" but not in the sense that it was a planned cordinated terror plot perpertraited by the likes of al queda. In more of a general sense that killing people is "an act of terror".

but its still quite clear that obama was not calling it cordinated terror attack, but a spontaneous mob attack. which is consistant in his follwong statements by him and his adminastration. 

and its definetely something Candy had no business throwing her opinion in, throwing a flag so to speek. and it certainly isnt something Romeny got justifably called out on as the media (like msnbc) whats the narrative to be. and unfortunately it likely will be the narrative.

so a can agree with you to an extent, that they were both right. but not in the way that obama in his speech admitted it being a plotted cordinted terrorist attack plotted by a terrorist cell,( which is what romney was calling it), but a spontaneous mob terror attack, random, and due to a youtube video. 


Killer, do you remember what Albert Einstein said the defintion of insanity was?  Doing the same thing over and over again expecting to get a different result. 



theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Are you not going to respond to what I said killerx?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/16/fact-check-libya-attack/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/from-video-to-terrorist-attack-a-definitive-timeline-of-administration-statements-on-the-libya-attack/2012/09/26/86105782-0826-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

don't care, kasz.

I read the transcript, and it appears to me that in English, while not specifically calling it that, the context provides that he was referring to it, otherwise there was no point to bring up terrorism or trangressors save for brining up the anniversary of 9/11 which just so happened was in no way related to what he was talking about except for sharing the same date.


Well... you'd be wrong on that context.

to quote the Washington Post.

(Note: we added this statement to the timeline after Josh Gerstein of Politico asserted that the phrasing “acts of terror” showed Obama acknowledged “terrorism” was behind the attack. From our many years of covering diplomacy we would say there is a world of difference, but readers can draw their own conclusions.)

 

Killer phrased it awfully, but the term "act of terror" has never been an exclusive term for terrorism and generally has been used to mean "fucked up shit."   Things like Assad using helicopters on his own citizens are seen as "acts of terror" but clearly aren't terrorism because  Assad is the state.