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Who won the 2nd debate?

President Barack Obama 299 57.72%
 
Governor MItt Romney 149 28.76%
 
Nobody/tie 70 13.51%
 
Total:518
theprof00 on 17 October 2012
gergroy said:
here are some interesting poll results from former presidential debates. All from cnn

Debate 1
McCain 38 Obama 51
Bush 37 Kerry 53
Bush 41 Gore 48

Debate 2
McCain 30 Obama 54
Bush 45 Kerry 47
Bush 49 Gore 39

Debate 3
McCain 31 Obama 58
Bush 39 Kerry 52
Bush 44 Gore 46

So compared to the two debates so far this election we have

Debate 1
Romney 67 Obama 39

Debate 2
Romney 39 Obama 46

One interesting thing to note here is that Romney's victory in debate 1 is the biggest margin CNN has ever recorded in these types of polling. A big win like that can cost an election when it is this close, many consider the second Bush/Gore debate a game changer for Bush and that was only a 10 point margin.

Another thing to note here is that Kerry won every debate with Bush, two of which by pretty large margins, however he failed to win the election. In many ways this election is reminiscent of the Bush/Kerry campaign as Obama has pretty much taken the Bush playbook and ran with it. Also, there are some incredible similarities between Kerry and Romney.

The last thing to note from these numbers is that Romney is definitely a much better debater than McCain. How in the world did he lose his primary against him?

how can you have 67% to 39%?

The math doesn't add up governor.



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gergroy on 17 October 2012
fordy said:
gergroy said:
here are some interesting poll results from former presidential debates. All from cnn

Debate 1
McCain 38 Obama 51
Bush 37 Kerry 53
Bush 41 Gore 48

Debate 2
McCain 30 Obama 54
Bush 45 Kerry 47
Bush 49 Gore 39

Debate 3
McCain 31 Obama 58
Bush 39 Kerry 52
Bush 44 Gore 46

So compared to the two debates so far this election we have

Debate 1
Romney 67 Obama 39

Debate 2
Romney 39 Obama 46

One interesting thing to note here is that Romney's victory in debate 1 is the biggest margin CNN has ever recorded in these types of polling. A big win like that can cost an election when it is this close, many consider the second Bush/Gore debate a game changer for Bush and that was only a 10 point margin.

Another thing to note here is that Kerry won every debate with Bush, two of which by pretty large margins, however he failed to win the election. In many ways this election is reminiscent of the Bush/Kerry campaign as Obama has pretty much taken the Bush playbook and ran with it. Also, there are some incredible similarities between Kerry and Romney.

The last thing to note from these numbers is that Romney is definitely a much better debater than McCain. How in the world did he lose his primary against him?


Are these supposed to be % points, because debate 1's appears to be rigged. 106% not including undecided voters?


whoops, sorry, Obama was 25% there, I fixed it now.



gergroy on 17 October 2012
theprof00 said:
gergroy said:
here are some interesting poll results from former presidential debates. All from cnn

Debate 1
McCain 38 Obama 51
Bush 37 Kerry 53
Bush 41 Gore 48

Debate 2
McCain 30 Obama 54
Bush 45 Kerry 47
Bush 49 Gore 39

Debate 3
McCain 31 Obama 58
Bush 39 Kerry 52
Bush 44 Gore 46

So compared to the two debates so far this election we have

Debate 1
Romney 67 Obama 25

Debate 2
Romney 39 Obama 46

One interesting thing to note here is that Romney's victory in debate 1 is the biggest margin CNN has ever recorded in these types of polling. A big win like that can cost an election when it is this close, many consider the second Bush/Gore debate a game changer for Bush and that was only a 10 point margin.

Another thing to note here is that Kerry won every debate with Bush, two of which by pretty large margins, however he failed to win the election. In many ways this election is reminiscent of the Bush/Kerry campaign as Obama has pretty much taken the Bush playbook and ran with it. Also, there are some incredible similarities between Kerry and Romney.

The last thing to note from these numbers is that Romney is definitely a much better debater than McCain. How in the world did he lose his primary against him?

how can you have 67% to 39%?

The math doesn't add up governor.


I fixed it, Obama was 25, sorry



Kasz216 on 17 October 2012
theprof00 said:
Are you not going to respond to what I said killerx?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/16/fact-check-libya-attack/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/from-video-to-terrorist-attack-a-definitive-timeline-of-administration-statements-on-the-libya-attack/2012/09/26/86105782-0826-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html



theprof00 on 17 October 2012
gergroy said:
fordy said:
gergroy said:
here are some interesting poll results from former presidential debates. All from cnn

Debate 1
McCain 38 Obama 51
Bush 37 Kerry 53
Bush 41 Gore 48

Debate 2
McCain 30 Obama 54
Bush 45 Kerry 47
Bush 49 Gore 39

Debate 3
McCain 31 Obama 58
Bush 39 Kerry 52
Bush 44 Gore 46

So compared to the two debates so far this election we have

Debate 1
Romney 67 Obama 39

Debate 2
Romney 39 Obama 46

One interesting thing to note here is that Romney's victory in debate 1 is the biggest margin CNN has ever recorded in these types of polling. A big win like that can cost an election when it is this close, many consider the second Bush/Gore debate a game changer for Bush and that was only a 10 point margin.

Another thing to note here is that Kerry won every debate with Bush, two of which by pretty large margins, however he failed to win the election. In many ways this election is reminiscent of the Bush/Kerry campaign as Obama has pretty much taken the Bush playbook and ran with it. Also, there are some incredible similarities between Kerry and Romney.

The last thing to note from these numbers is that Romney is definitely a much better debater than McCain. How in the world did he lose his primary against him?


Are these supposed to be % points, because debate 1's appears to be rigged. 106% not including undecided voters?


whoops, sorry, Obama was 25% there, I fixed it now.

25% !!! haha, that's just wrong. CNN, who'd have thought.



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gergroy on 17 October 2012
theprof00 said:
gergroy said:
fordy said:


Are these supposed to be % points, because debate 1's appears to be rigged. 106% not including undecided voters?


whoops, sorry, Obama was 25% there, I fixed it now.

25% !!! haha, that's just wrong. CNN, who'd have thought.

I don't know, Obama didn't really show up for the first debate.  I was kind of torn durring the first debate, but in retrospect Obama clearly had a bad night.  Romney was a much clearer victor then versus Obama after the this debate.  



theprof00 on 17 October 2012
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Are you not going to respond to what I said killerx?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/16/fact-check-libya-attack/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/from-video-to-terrorist-attack-a-definitive-timeline-of-administration-statements-on-the-libya-attack/2012/09/26/86105782-0826-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

don't care, kasz.

I read the transcript, and it appears to me that in English, while not specifically calling it that, the context provides that he was referring to it, otherwise there was no point to bring up terrorism or trangressors save for brining up the anniversary of 9/11 which just so happened was in no way related to what he was talking about except for sharing the same date.



theprof00 on 17 October 2012
gergroy said:
theprof00 said:
gergroy said:
fordy said:


Are these supposed to be % points, because debate 1's appears to be rigged. 106% not including undecided voters?


whoops, sorry, Obama was 25% there, I fixed it now.

25% !!! haha, that's just wrong. CNN, who'd have thought.

I don't know, Obama didn't really show up for the first debate.  I was kind of torn durring the first debate, but in retrospect Obama clearly had a bad night.  Romney was a much clearer victor then versus Obama after the this debate.  

That's the thing though, more than 25% would never admit he flopped so hard, and every other station had numbers much much closer together.



gergroy on 17 October 2012
theprof00 said:
gergroy said:
theprof00 said:
gergroy said:
fordy said:


Are these supposed to be % points, because debate 1's appears to be rigged. 106% not including undecided voters?


whoops, sorry, Obama was 25% there, I fixed it now.

25% !!! haha, that's just wrong. CNN, who'd have thought.

I don't know, Obama didn't really show up for the first debate.  I was kind of torn durring the first debate, but in retrospect Obama clearly had a bad night.  Romney was a much clearer victor then versus Obama after the this debate.  

That's the thing though, more than 25% would never admit he flopped so hard, and every other station had numbers much much closer together.


not really much closer together, every poll I saw had romney winning by at least a 2 to 1 margin.  



gergroy on 17 October 2012

on another note, did you guys hear the green party candidates were arrested trying to get into the debate?