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Kasz216 on 16 October 2012
Flanneryaug said:
HappySqurriel said:
Mr Khan said:
Because they know this is about racism and voter intimidation. Plain and simple


In what way does it demonstrate racism or voter intimidation? Are the MADD put up in my community against drinking and driving a form of "driver intimidation"?

 

Realistically, the person who paid for these ads was probably (very) worried about the consequences associated with taking a stance on what has become a partisan political issue. If their information was made public it is likely that they would face death threats and harassment from people, and would be at significant risk of losing their job.

It is racist because it's targeted in poorer communities, where there are many more minorities. It is intimidation because it makes people who would otherwise vote, consider not voting do to fear of somehow commiting voter fraud and being charged with a felony.

No... it's targeting poorer communties because that's where the majority of voter fraud comes from.  Illegal aliens, group homes and nursing homes are the biggest causes.

As you go to nicer and nicer neighberhoods.  These three things decrease.

 

To argue it's racist, is like argueing that it's racist to have more police in poorer communties where their are more minorities.

Despite the fact that it's common sense... since more crimes happen in poor areas.



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Mr Khan on 16 October 2012
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

The Hispanics have been misled. As have most of the folks who support these measures

That's code for "minorities are too stupid to think for themselves".

It's code for "the people on the side of voter-ID are mis-representing the reasons why they support this."

It's clear in the implementation of voter ID laws that most of these are a Republican power-grab. If they understood that these laws were out to disenfranchise them, they would be against it.

If that's the case.  Why did this legislation used to be biparitsian?   Also why did Maryland pass voter ID laws.

Also, why is it that no attorney has actually been able to prove anyone would actually be disenfranchised?

In the short run, it's been proven that plenty of folks will be disenfranchised. That's why the law was tabled in Pennsylvania for this year.



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Kasz216 on 16 October 2012
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

The Hispanics have been misled. As have most of the folks who support these measures

That's code for "minorities are too stupid to think for themselves".

It's code for "the people on the side of voter-ID are mis-representing the reasons why they support this."

It's clear in the implementation of voter ID laws that most of these are a Republican power-grab. If they understood that these laws were out to disenfranchise them, they would be against it.

If that's the case.  Why did this legislation used to be biparitsian?   Also why did Maryland pass voter ID laws.

Also, why is it that no attorney has actually been able to prove anyone would actually be disenfranchised?

In the short run, it's been proven that plenty of folks will be disenfranchised. That's why the law was tabled in Pennsylvania for this year.

Yes.  Thanks to democrats delaying and delaying the implmentation of the law with lawsuits.

Regardless, your point would only stand if Republicans said "whoops nevermind" and repealed the law afterwords.  

However, Republicans have been pushing these legislations for decades now.

So had Democrats until very recently.  

See Maryland.

The racism and voter supression cries are nothing but craven electioneering as nobody has said it was because of short term worries.  Instead claiming republicans want to steal minority votes for ever and ever.



Flanneryaug on 16 October 2012
Kasz216 said:
Flanneryaug said:
HappySqurriel said:
Mr Khan said:
Because they know this is about racism and voter intimidation. Plain and simple


In what way does it demonstrate racism or voter intimidation? Are the MADD put up in my community against drinking and driving a form of "driver intimidation"?

 

Realistically, the person who paid for these ads was probably (very) worried about the consequences associated with taking a stance on what has become a partisan political issue. If their information was made public it is likely that they would face death threats and harassment from people, and would be at significant risk of losing their job.

It is racist because it's targeted in poorer communities, where there are many more minorities. It is intimidation because it makes people who would otherwise vote, consider not voting do to fear of somehow commiting voter fraud and being charged with a felony.

No... it's targeting poorer communties because that's where the majority of voter fraud comes from.  Illegal aliens, group homes and nursing homes are the biggest causes.

As you go to nicer and nicer neighberhoods.  These three things decrease.

 

To argue it's racist, is like argueing that it's racist to have more police in poorer communties where their are more minorities.

Despite the fact that it's common sense... since more crimes happen in poor areas.

No, it's racist because its targeting poorer communities, and there is no voter fraud. If voter fraud is such a huge problem, why did most if these laws not get enacted until after the republican primaries?



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Mr Khan on 16 October 2012
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:

In the short run, it's been proven that plenty of folks will be disenfranchised. That's why the law was tabled in Pennsylvania for this year.

Yes.  Thanks to democrats delaying and delaying the implmentation of the law with lawsuits.

Regardless, your point would only stand if Republicans said "whoops nevermind" and repealed the law afterwords.  

However, Republicans have been pushing these legislations for decades now.

So had Democrats until very recently.  

See Maryland.

Not because of the lawsuits, but because even provisional PennDOT IDs were only available four days out of the month, or something ridiculous like that. They made it as hard as possible for people who needed them to get IDs.



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irstupid on 16 October 2012
Flanneryaug said:
Kasz216 said:
Flanneryaug said:
HappySqurriel said:
Mr Khan said:
Because they know this is about racism and voter intimidation. Plain and simple


In what way does it demonstrate racism or voter intimidation? Are the MADD put up in my community against drinking and driving a form of "driver intimidation"?

 

Realistically, the person who paid for these ads was probably (very) worried about the consequences associated with taking a stance on what has become a partisan political issue. If their information was made public it is likely that they would face death threats and harassment from people, and would be at significant risk of losing their job.

It is racist because it's targeted in poorer communities, where there are many more minorities. It is intimidation because it makes people who would otherwise vote, consider not voting do to fear of somehow commiting voter fraud and being charged with a felony.

No... it's targeting poorer communties because that's where the majority of voter fraud comes from.  Illegal aliens, group homes and nursing homes are the biggest causes.

As you go to nicer and nicer neighberhoods.  These three things decrease.

 

To argue it's racist, is like argueing that it's racist to have more police in poorer communties where their are more minorities.

Despite the fact that it's common sense... since more crimes happen in poor areas.

No, it's racist because its targeting poorer communities, and there is no voter fraud. If voter fraud is such a huge problem, why did most if these laws not get enacted until after the republican primaries?

Did the media tell you that?



Kasz216 on 16 October 2012
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

In the short run, it's been proven that plenty of folks will be disenfranchised. That's why the law was tabled in Pennsylvania for this year.

Yes.  Thanks to democrats delaying and delaying the implmentation of the law with lawsuits.

Regardless, your point would only stand if Republicans said "whoops nevermind" and repealed the law afterwords.  

However, Republicans have been pushing these legislations for decades now.

So had Democrats until very recently.  

See Maryland.

Not because of the lawsuits, but because even provisional PennDOT IDs were only available four days out of the month, or something ridiculous like that. They made it as hard as possible for people who needed them to get IDs.

The lawsuits kept putting holds on the law... preventing implementation of PennDOT sooner, and longer.

Also... do you have a source on that, because i'm 70% sure that's not true.

 

There were plenty of negative stories about people waiting nearly every day for a week for PennDot due to long lines.  (You know, because they're catching up to EVERYBODY at once.  another temporary issue made to sound like a permanent one.)



Kasz216 on 16 October 2012
Flanneryaug said:
Kasz216 said:
Flanneryaug said:
HappySqurriel said:
Mr Khan said:
Because they know this is about racism and voter intimidation. Plain and simple


In what way does it demonstrate racism or voter intimidation? Are the MADD put up in my community against drinking and driving a form of "driver intimidation"?

 

Realistically, the person who paid for these ads was probably (very) worried about the consequences associated with taking a stance on what has become a partisan political issue. If their information was made public it is likely that they would face death threats and harassment from people, and would be at significant risk of losing their job.

It is racist because it's targeted in poorer communities, where there are many more minorities. It is intimidation because it makes people who would otherwise vote, consider not voting do to fear of somehow commiting voter fraud and being charged with a felony.

No... it's targeting poorer communties because that's where the majority of voter fraud comes from.  Illegal aliens, group homes and nursing homes are the biggest causes.

As you go to nicer and nicer neighberhoods.  These three things decrease.

 

To argue it's racist, is like argueing that it's racist to have more police in poorer communties where their are more minorities.

Despite the fact that it's common sense... since more crimes happen in poor areas.

No, it's racist because its targeting poorer communities, and there is no voter fraud. If voter fraud is such a huge problem, why did most if these laws not get enacted until after the republican primaries?

A) I already posted evidence of voter fraud in this thread... the "There is no voter fraud" lie is based on convinctions, on which there aren't many, because the tools to prosecute voter fraud aren't really strong, and even when they are.  Your spending thousands of dollars per case of voter fraud.

This is exactly why you need voter fraud measures that prevent illegal voets.

B) Republicans won big gains in 2010, so it took a while for legislation to make it through.



Mr Khan on 16 October 2012
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:

Not because of the lawsuits, but because even provisional PennDOT IDs were only available four days out of the month, or something ridiculous like that. They made it as hard as possible for people who needed them to get IDs.

The lawsuits kept putting holds on the law... preventing implementation of PennDOT sooner, and longer.

Also... do you have a source on that, because i'm 70% sure that's not true.

 

There were plenty of negative stories about people waiting nearly every day for a week for PennDot due to long lines.  (You know, because they're catching up to EVERYBODY at once.  another temporary issue made to sound like a permanent one.)

That was one of the issues we were discussing with voters back when the law was still in effect. There are only certain days the DMV will give you identification, namely license exam days, which are highly limited in number.



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Kasz216 on 16 October 2012
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Not because of the lawsuits, but because even provisional PennDOT IDs were only available four days out of the month, or something ridiculous like that. They made it as hard as possible for people who needed them to get IDs.

The lawsuits kept putting holds on the law... preventing implementation of PennDOT sooner, and longer.

Also... do you have a source on that, because i'm 70% sure that's not true.

 

There were plenty of negative stories about people waiting nearly every day for a week for PennDot due to long lines.  (You know, because they're catching up to EVERYBODY at once.  another temporary issue made to sound like a permanent one.)

That was one of the issues we were discussing with voters back when the law was still in effect. There are only certain days the DMV will give you identification, namely license exam days, which are highly limited in number.


Again.  Do you have an actual source from this?  Like a news article or something from the Penn Dot website? 

You are asking me to take your word on it... and it's an issue you yourself have mentioned in the past is one you don't tend to always speak clearly about depending on your mood.

Afterall, your talking about it being racist here, despite you yourself agreeing many times that it wasn't racist.

No offense, I like you, but this isn't an issue you have a lot of credibility on...

 

For example... using the Pendott website to show when you can get a voter ID and picking a random county...

https://www.dot33.state.pa.us/locator/AmsServlet.jsp#top?20121016114414794=20121016114414794

 

It shows that you can get a Voter ID 6 days a week in Lebanon Pennyslvania.

So, i'd guess whoever actually told you that, was just lieing, and having your group lie to people due to well... electioneering.