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What are the most significant factors?

Genetic factors 131 47.29%
 
Environmental factors 65 23.47%
 
People freely choose their sexuality 47 16.97%
 
Other 32 11.55%
 
Total:275
NolSinkler said:

The God that I love and worship loves you too.  A simple idea - perhaps God can free those with homosexual desires from the tyranny of their desires?  This is what I believe and hope for.  God loves us all very much.  How much?  Haven't you heard?

What causes homosexuality? - that is the topic. Homosexuality is the result of deep-rooted confusion about the proper role of self and others in society and in relationship to one another and to God.  Now Jay520 said earlier, that confusion is the wrong word to use.  No, confusion is correct.  The person has confused, obfuscated, and misunderstood; they have not valued correctly.  So has any sinner.  It's not a big deal.  To say that he who has homosexual desire must submit to such desires is pretty counter-biblical though.  If you feel sorry for me, then you must feel sorry for the gambler who seeks to escape gambling, or the alcoholic who recognizes his problem and wants a way out, or the man who compulsively lies but wants to start telling the truth.

Perhaps you sympathize with them - can you not sympathize with the man seeking to destroy his homosexual desires, after recognizing the destructiveness of them?

Why should homosexual desires be considered tyranical or destructive? Compulsive gambling and alcoholism are real destructive habits, they end up in debt, bankruptcy, violence, loss of job, friends and loved ones. Homosexuality doesn't have any of those consequences, you can easily be a fully functional member of society while dating someone of the same sex.



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NolSinkler said:

People HAVE been living in successful heterosexual relationships, despite having homosexual desires, for thousands of years.  Only recently have people started taking issue with it.

Of course it's possible. I could ignore my homosexual desires and marry a woman, pocreate, etc. I actually seriously considered this before accepting that it would probably be a miserable experience. Yes, gay men have been living as heterosxuals for thousands of years, but only because of cirmcumstance. The vast majority of them never knew that there were others like them out there and those who did many times did seek to satisfy their desires. 

If I had been born 50 years ago I have no doubt that I would marry a woman and have a normal family, but at the same time it would be a miserable existence other than having children of my own. The physical pleasure of having sex with my wife would be lost because of the fact that I'd have to think about someone else just to get aroused and stay that way. Even if a gay man marries his best female friend in the world, the burden of his desire will always be there and its something I rather not live with. It would be unfair to my wife who I could never love in all the ways necessary even if I wanted to. 



Squilliam said:

A family with a lot of sons is also a family with crowded living arrangements. People are affected by their environment long before they are born. It doesn't disprove the population connection because you can also explain the sons argument with density.

So you're saying proximity to other males is a factor?

I just don't see it...

I need you to explain a bit more concisely so I can understand your argument. 



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NolSinkler said:

The God that I love and worship loves you too.  A simple idea - perhaps God can free those with homosexual desires from the tyranny of their desires?  This is what I believe and hope for.  God loves us all very much.  How much?  Haven't you heard?

What causes homosexuality? - that is the topic. Homosexuality is the result of deep-rooted confusion about the proper role of self and others in society and in relationship to one another and to God.  Now Jay520 said earlier, that confusion is the wrong word to use.  No, confusion is correct.  The person has confused, obfuscated, and misunderstood; they have not valued correctly.  So has any sinner.  It's not a big deal.  To say that he who has homosexual desire must submit to such desires is pretty counter-biblical though.  If you feel sorry for me, then you must feel sorry for the gambler who seeks to escape gambling, or the alcoholic who recognizes his problem and wants a way out, or the man who compulsively lies but wants to start telling the truth.

Perhaps you sympathize with them - can you not sympathize with the man seeking to destroy his homosexual desires, after recognizing the destructiveness of them?

Why should homosexual desires be considered tyranical or destructive? Compulsive gambling and alcoholism are real destructive habits, they end up in debt, bankruptcy, violence, loss of job, friends and loved ones. Homosexuality doesn't have any of those consequences, you can easily be a fully functional member of society while dating someone of the same sex.


Not tyrannical.  To let such desires control you is to let them have tyranny.  Do you not know that you are a slave to whatever you submit yourselves to?  So if you submit to homosexual desires, these desires have dominion over you.  Now it is well known that the homosexually active man has a much shorter expected lifespan than his heterosexual counterpart.  Consider this - cigarette smokers have shorter expected lifespan than their non-smoking counterpart, and our society actively discourages smoking cigarettes for the negative health effects.  What makes homosexuality different?  Do we not care if people cut many years off of their life for the sake of vain pleasure?

xxbrothawisxx63 pointed to the great lie perpetuated by our society.  The lie is this - that the homosexual man is utterly incapable of enjoyable sex with a female.  No, this man has conditioned himself to behave as such and to believe that he is incapable of pleasurable heterosexual sex.  The lie is increased by the idea that all successful heterosexual relationships must have as its base the sex life.  Rather, I tell you, the sex life is the result, not the cause, of a successful heterosexual relationship, and so, is not the main component.  What, will you tell me that the man, which is clearly the physical complement of the woman, will sometimes be unable to function in a heterosexual relationship, and that this is biological?  This is falsehood.  The most powerful indicator of one's sexual orientation is external - if one is a man, then clearly one is fashioned in such a way complementary to the woman, and so sexual energies shall be directed at the female; likewise, if one is female, clearly one is fashioned for the male, and so one's sexual energies shall be directed toward him.

You say, xxbrothawisxx63, that you would have to think about someone else to get aroused and stay that way?  This is a lie.  You have conditioned yourself to believe that this is true, but with proper re-conditioning, and the help of God (and God, who loves you, certainly wants to help you), you may overcome.  Tell me, what physical ailment prevents you from sticking an erect penis into a vagina?  Is your penis deformed?  I doubt it.  There is nothing standing in your way other than misdirected thoughts and false ideas held as true.  To correct these thoughts is very difficult, but corrected they must be, lest you live a lie.  I tell you a truth, that the desire can be redirected, changed, and transformed - but even without such transformation, sexual desire should not be the basis of any successful heterosexual relationship, despite what our society (misguided as we are) says.

A miserable experience?  Hardly.  I desire to be in a successful relationship with a woman.  These desires are growing stronger every day, while the homosexual desires are lessening.  Am I a special case?  Or am I lying?  This is what the powerful gay lobbies will tell you.  I tell you otherwise.  Will you believe what I say?  You can either live in the tyranny of your lusts, which are clearly unhealthy and misguided, evidenced by the death it produces in the forms of various diseases, and by the clear physical anatomy of each sex, or you can live in freedom, living out the purpose given to you, which you have heard since you were born.

Perhaps one will suffer while walking down this path.  Suppose you have been doing something unhealthy your entire life, but it is a habit.  Will changing the habit not be difficult?  The morbidly obese can attest to this - yet many transform their lives and overcome this ailment, an ailment accompanied by great desire and even physical distress!  Certainly this affliction is akin to the homosexual's!  But with the support of those around them and through hard work and even suffering, the obese can overcome.  Cannot he with homosexual desires?  And even after the morbidly obese has lost much weight, he may still desire to binge eat.  Does this mean he has not made progress in conquering the ailment?  Such is the case of the previously homosexual man who marries.  He may sometimes still be bothered by homosexual desires.  Does this mean that he has does not love his wife, and has not had enjoyable sex with her?  Does this mean that his life is a lie?  No more a lie than the life of the obese man who has lost much weight!  Rather, there has been a tangible change in the person's life, but they know the other way, and so may from time to time desire to return.

But if they continue in the new life, shall not the old life fade away and the desires lessen?  Of course they will!  Any habit is self-reinforcing.  You hear many stories of previously homosexual men who are happily married to a woman.  The homosexual activist will say they lie and are actually quite miserable.  Oh?  Is it possible, actually, that they have found their way out of their destructive desires?  But the homosexual activist cannot believe this, because this potential truth threatens the entire homosexual movement.  It is much easier, mind you, to continue to live the homosexual life, once one has found one's way into it.  Does that mean this is what one should do?  Of course not!  Many things are easy that lead to suffering!  And this is true not only of the homosexual, but of the promisuous heterosexual - the heterosexual who thrives on sex is believing much the same lie that the homosexual believes, and both lies lead to suffering and self-destruction.

Do I speak too bluntly?  Are the things I say painful?  Remember that I say God loves you and does not want you to suffer - but as Paul says, "The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God.  And if children, then heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ, if so be that we suffer with him.  For I am convinced, that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us."

Perhaps you aren't religious.  But I know you can see what is wrong with homosexuality.  The wrongness thereof manifests itself just after you have satisfied your desires, when a wave of disgust washes over you.  Perhaps you have learned to ignore the wave of guilt.  That does not mean it does not come.  Watch, next time you have sex.  You will see.  Then begins the long, arduous journey.



I didn't read all of that because you completely miss the point in the first paragraph once again. Smoking cigarettes directly affects your health, sleeping with someone of the same sex doesn't.

I did read your last paragraph though and sorry my dear but you're the one who's been conditioned to feel guilt/shame after you satisfy yourself. I feel no such disgust after sex because I'm happy with who I am, I know I'm a good person and that I'm making my partner happy as well.



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NolSinkler said:
TruckOSaurus said:
NolSinkler said:

The God that I love and worship loves you too.  A simple idea - perhaps God can free those with homosexual desires from the tyranny of their desires?  This is what I believe and hope for.  God loves us all very much.  How much?  Haven't you heard?

What causes homosexuality? - that is the topic. Homosexuality is the result of deep-rooted confusion about the proper role of self and others in society and in relationship to one another and to God.  Now Jay520 said earlier, that confusion is the wrong word to use.  No, confusion is correct.  The person has confused, obfuscated, and misunderstood; they have not valued correctly.  So has any sinner.  It's not a big deal.  To say that he who has homosexual desire must submit to such desires is pretty counter-biblical though.  If you feel sorry for me, then you must feel sorry for the gambler who seeks to escape gambling, or the alcoholic who recognizes his problem and wants a way out, or the man who compulsively lies but wants to start telling the truth.

Perhaps you sympathize with them - can you not sympathize with the man seeking to destroy his homosexual desires, after recognizing the destructiveness of them?

Why should homosexual desires be considered tyranical or destructive? Compulsive gambling and alcoholism are real destructive habits, they end up in debt, bankruptcy, violence, loss of job, friends and loved ones. Homosexuality doesn't have any of those consequences, you can easily be a fully functional member of society while dating someone of the same sex.

Perhaps you aren't religious.  But I know you can see what is wrong with homosexuality.  The wrongness thereof manifests itself just after you have satisfied your desires, when a wave of disgust washes over you.  Perhaps you have learned to ignore the wave of guilt.  That does not mean it does not come.  Watch, next time you have sex.  You will see.  Then begins the long, arduous journey.

Oh my god.. you do think in this way? :S you lost all the respect you could have been entitled to by just that part.. may the spaghetti monster have mercy on your... oh.. you have no soul.. nevermind.



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xxbrothawizxx63 said:
Squilliam said:

A family with a lot of sons is also a family with crowded living arrangements. People are affected by their environment long before they are born. It doesn't disprove the population connection because you can also explain the sons argument with density.

So you're saying proximity to other males is a factor?

I just don't see it...

I need you to explain a bit more concisely so I can understand your argument. 

Well I don't think it is worth the time.



Tease.

NolSinkler said:
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You're view of the world is a bit too black and white (and ridiculously biased though at the same time so could my own) for this argument to go anywhere. A shame too because, at least from your writing, you seem like an intelligent guy. 

You've already made up your mind on the subject so trying to persuade you is pointless. I wish you all the best in your endevours to clense yourself of your homosexuality. 

I on the other hand will give into the "tyranny of my lust".