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dharh said:
Persistantthug said:
dharh said:
Persistantthug said:
dharh said:

Gaikai could maybe be a solution for BC for when the PS4 comes out, maybe, for those who want to play PS3 games but don't have or want to buy the physical media.

But I think the best thing SONY could do is when the PS4 does come out, make an even newer super duper slim PS3 with PS2/PS1 BC. That way they can finally stop selling PS2s. There is still a ton of potential for selling an offline system that will play PS3/PS2/PS1 game discs if they can do it for less than $149 and make a good profit.


They might do that, and that's a pretty decen't idea,

But your idea still doesn't address what really needs to be addressed....

that being, how do they make the downloadable games that people bought that need a Cell processor to work.....how to make them work on your PS4.  In order to make PSN/SEN go mainstream and not look like a joke, (Sony's aspirations are to go after Apple)....they will need to make that happen.

 

This is where Gaikai must come through....especially since the Cell Processor seems to be on its way out for future devices.

I agree with that in terms of the PS4 having PS3 BC. But I don't think they will do that for their PS3/PS2/PS1 machine. It's possible that they will drop PS1 support, since alot of the good PS1 games already have PSN support. I think though that the problem with Gaikai is that I can't use my physical media with it. I just don't see SONY selling 3 home consoles at the same time, which means they need to have a single console that covers PS3/PS2 games. I think 1 or 2 years from now when PS4 comes out there is a distinct possibility to have a cheep system that includes both cell and a SOC that can emulate the PS2. Anything else will not really be profitable.

You're referring to backwards compatibility on the hardware level.   That's a nice thing to have, but it's not that important.

 

You see, I'm only referring to the downloadable games that people bought.....those have to work...or else.....basically.

 

And also, You can't really mix the PS3's unique architecture with more linearly based architectures that Sony's rumored to be going after this next time around with the PS4, and the Cell can't be emulated either.

So this puts Sony in a precarious situation because, while they are trying to put PSN/SEN in practically all devices trying to become more mainstream, they'll be left holding alot of baggage, effectively saying "hey PSN/SEN is great, come buy our awesome stuff.....we don't guarantee it will work in the future, it might not.....but hey our stuff's awesome....come buy our stuff."

 

This is where Gaikai must come in and save them.....again, or else.

Sorry but if they expect me to play my PSN games via Gaikai, no sale. Aint happenin. 


I hear  you.

It's not what alot of people want.

But there's no other practical way.  

Not at this time there isn't.  

*shrug*



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Persistantthug said:
dharh said:
Persistantthug said:
dharh said:
Persistantthug said:
dharh said:

Gaikai could maybe be a solution for BC for when the PS4 comes out, maybe, for those who want to play PS3 games but don't have or want to buy the physical media.

But I think the best thing SONY could do is when the PS4 does come out, make an even newer super duper slim PS3 with PS2/PS1 BC. That way they can finally stop selling PS2s. There is still a ton of potential for selling an offline system that will play PS3/PS2/PS1 game discs if they can do it for less than $149 and make a good profit.


They might do that, and that's a pretty decen't idea,

But your idea still doesn't address what really needs to be addressed....

that being, how do they make the downloadable games that people bought that need a Cell processor to work.....how to make them work on your PS4.  In order to make PSN/SEN go mainstream and not look like a joke, (Sony's aspirations are to go after Apple)....they will need to make that happen.

 

This is where Gaikai must come through....especially since the Cell Processor seems to be on its way out for future devices.

I agree with that in terms of the PS4 having PS3 BC. But I don't think they will do that for their PS3/PS2/PS1 machine. It's possible that they will drop PS1 support, since alot of the good PS1 games already have PSN support. I think though that the problem with Gaikai is that I can't use my physical media with it. I just don't see SONY selling 3 home consoles at the same time, which means they need to have a single console that covers PS3/PS2 games. I think 1 or 2 years from now when PS4 comes out there is a distinct possibility to have a cheep system that includes both cell and a SOC that can emulate the PS2. Anything else will not really be profitable.

You're referring to backwards compatibility on the hardware level.   That's a nice thing to have, but it's not that important.

 

You see, I'm only referring to the downloadable games that people bought.....those have to work...or else.....basically.

 

And also, You can't really mix the PS3's unique architecture with more linearly based architectures that Sony's rumored to be going after this next time around with the PS4, and the Cell can't be emulated either.

So this puts Sony in a precarious situation because, while they are trying to put PSN/SEN in practically all devices trying to become more mainstream, they'll be left holding alot of baggage, effectively saying "hey PSN/SEN is great, come buy our awesome stuff.....we don't guarantee it will work in the future, it might not.....but hey our stuff's awesome....come buy our stuff."

 

This is where Gaikai must come in and save them.....again, or else.

Sorry but if they expect me to play my PSN games via Gaikai, no sale. Aint happenin. 


I hear  you.

It's not what alot of people want.

But there's no other practical way.  

Not at this time there isn't.  

*shrug*


Aye, including a CELL into the next playstation would cost too much and there is no machine going to be capable of emulating what goes on inside that beast of a chip for many many years I'd say so it'll have to be something akin to streaming for BC of the ps3.



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ganoncrotch said:
Persistantthug said:
dharh said:
Persistantthug said:
dharh said:
Persistantthug said:
dharh said:

Gaikai could maybe be a solution for BC for when the PS4 comes out, maybe, for those who want to play PS3 games but don't have or want to buy the physical media.

But I think the best thing SONY could do is when the PS4 does come out, make an even newer super duper slim PS3 with PS2/PS1 BC. That way they can finally stop selling PS2s. There is still a ton of potential for selling an offline system that will play PS3/PS2/PS1 game discs if they can do it for less than $149 and make a good profit.


They might do that, and that's a pretty decen't idea,

But your idea still doesn't address what really needs to be addressed....

that being, how do they make the downloadable games that people bought that need a Cell processor to work.....how to make them work on your PS4.  In order to make PSN/SEN go mainstream and not look like a joke, (Sony's aspirations are to go after Apple)....they will need to make that happen.

 

This is where Gaikai must come through....especially since the Cell Processor seems to be on its way out for future devices.

I agree with that in terms of the PS4 having PS3 BC. But I don't think they will do that for their PS3/PS2/PS1 machine. It's possible that they will drop PS1 support, since alot of the good PS1 games already have PSN support. I think though that the problem with Gaikai is that I can't use my physical media with it. I just don't see SONY selling 3 home consoles at the same time, which means they need to have a single console that covers PS3/PS2 games. I think 1 or 2 years from now when PS4 comes out there is a distinct possibility to have a cheep system that includes both cell and a SOC that can emulate the PS2. Anything else will not really be profitable.

You're referring to backwards compatibility on the hardware level.   That's a nice thing to have, but it's not that important.

 

You see, I'm only referring to the downloadable games that people bought.....those have to work...or else.....basically.

 

And also, You can't really mix the PS3's unique architecture with more linearly based architectures that Sony's rumored to be going after this next time around with the PS4, and the Cell can't be emulated either.

So this puts Sony in a precarious situation because, while they are trying to put PSN/SEN in practically all devices trying to become more mainstream, they'll be left holding alot of baggage, effectively saying "hey PSN/SEN is great, come buy our awesome stuff.....we don't guarantee it will work in the future, it might not.....but hey our stuff's awesome....come buy our stuff."

 

This is where Gaikai must come in and save them.....again, or else.

Sorry but if they expect me to play my PSN games via Gaikai, no sale. Aint happenin. 


I hear  you.

It's not what alot of people want.

But there's no other practical way.  

Not at this time there isn't.  

*shrug*


Aye, including a CELL into the next playstation would cost too much and there is no machine going to be capable of emulating what goes on inside that beast of a chip for many many years I'd say so it'll have to be something akin to streaming for BC of the ps3.

Basically, you're right on.....basically.

 

However, a CELL PROCESSOR in itself shouldn't be too much $, but like you said, it's the other components which must be included to make it work that costs the $.....like the XDR ram and the unique bus, for example.

 

But yeah, PS3 hardware level backwards compatibility for the PS4 is pretty much a no go



kain_kusanagi said:
mjk45 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Sometimes I think I must be the only person with a slow broadband connection. I can't watch high quality video streams without buffer breaks so there's no way I'd be able to play a game streaming across the internet. If Sony or MS or whatever installs a server farm across the street maybe I'd be more hopeful. But right now I have no interesting in stream gaming.

I know I'm not the only one. The US has a huge number of rural slow connections that aren't going to get upgraded any time soon. The US is just far too big to get fiber in every home at a reasonable cost.

IF Australia can have  a National Broadband Network and it is the same size as the continental US then I assume it's a political decision not to.

Australia is about the same size, but it's population is much smaller and less spread out than the US. The same can be said of Canada. It's bigger than the US, but has 10% the population. Most of that population lives within 200 miles of the US/Canada boarder.

Yes the population is smaller but unlike Canada the major cities are spread out  Take the City of Perth West Australia  it is the worlds most isolated capital city in terms of location to another major city and it will be connected , so in terms of distance the back bone will cover a huge geographical area , in the US of you would have lots more cities and towns connected to that back bone but then again that means more subscribers hence more money generated  , still the stumbling block in the US would be that in Australia the Federal and State governments have a long history of infrastructure building ,most of our major infrastructure was built that way  ,  our early railways and utilities where  Govt built initiatives , where yours where private.



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mjk45 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
mjk45 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Sometimes I think I must be the only person with a slow broadband connection. I can't watch high quality video streams without buffer breaks so there's no way I'd be able to play a game streaming across the internet. If Sony or MS or whatever installs a server farm across the street maybe I'd be more hopeful. But right now I have no interesting in stream gaming.

I know I'm not the only one. The US has a huge number of rural slow connections that aren't going to get upgraded any time soon. The US is just far too big to get fiber in every home at a reasonable cost.

IF Australia can have  a National Broadband Network and it is the same size as the continental US then I assume it's a political decision not to.

Australia is about the same size, but it's population is much smaller and less spread out than the US. The same can be said of Canada. It's bigger than the US, but has 10% the population. Most of that population lives within 200 miles of the US/Canada boarder.

Yes the population is smaller but unlike Canada the major cities are spread out  Take the City of Perth West Australia  it is the worlds most isolated capital city in terms of location to another major city and it will be connected , so in terms of distance the back bone will cover a huge geographical area , in the US of you would have lots more cities and towns connected to that back bone but then again that means more subscribers hence more money generated  , still the stumbling block in the US would be that in Australia the Federal and State governments have a long history of infrastructure building ,most of our major infrastructure was built that way  ,  our early railways and utilities where  Govt built initiatives , where yours where private.


When I said the US is spread out I'm talking about the 10s of millions of Americans who are peppered through rural America. Perth may be isolated, but it's still a city and a big one at that. All it takes to connect a house to the internet in Perth is an extra 300 feet of cable. In America it could take 10 miles of cable to ge to just one home. That's uncountable millions of miles of cable that no company is going to lay because they won't make enough money from one family's subscription when it takes so much cable just for them.



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kain_kusanagi said:
mjk45 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
mjk45 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Sometimes I think I must be the only person with a slow broadband connection. I can't watch high quality video streams without buffer breaks so there's no way I'd be able to play a game streaming across the internet. If Sony or MS or whatever installs a server farm across the street maybe I'd be more hopeful. But right now I have no interesting in stream gaming.

I know I'm not the only one. The US has a huge number of rural slow connections that aren't going to get upgraded any time soon. The US is just far too big to get fiber in every home at a reasonable cost.

IF Australia can have  a National Broadband Network and it is the same size as the continental US then I assume it's a political decision not to.

Australia is about the same size, but it's population is much smaller and less spread out than the US. The same can be said of Canada. It's bigger than the US, but has 10% the population. Most of that population lives within 200 miles of the US/Canada boarder.

Yes the population is smaller but unlike Canada the major cities are spread out  Take the City of Perth West Australia  it is the worlds most isolated capital city in terms of location to another major city and it will be connected , so in terms of distance the back bone will cover a huge geographical area , in the US of you would have lots more cities and towns connected to that back bone but then again that means more subscribers hence more money generated  , still the stumbling block in the US would be that in Australia the Federal and State governments have a long history of infrastructure building ,most of our major infrastructure was built that way  ,  our early railways and utilities where  Govt built initiatives , where yours where private.


When I said the US is spread out I'm talking about the 10s of millions of Americans who are peppered through rural America. Perth may be isolated, but it's still a city and a big one at that. All it takes to connect a house to the internet in Perth is an extra 300 feet of cable. In America it could take 10 miles of cable to ge to just one home. That's uncountable millions of miles of cable that no company is going to lay because they won't make enough money from one family's subscription when it takes so much cable just for them.

yes but the fact is Perth has to be  connected to the rest of Australia so  you have a nation wide backbone , the difference would be how many sub connections you have along the way ,and yes  most certainly it  would face more hurdles in the US as i stated if it where a Govt undertaking that would be easier but you tend to do it privately , still there as to a political push for it to happen here the govt put up the 40 billion dollars and created the NBN company to run it as a wholesaler , still it isn't size holding it back after all  the US as other  nationwide  networks , but the will to do it and a plan that satisfy s competing interests a tall order.



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