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I dunno, why is the right lying to everybody else?



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Squilliam said:
You have the professionally incompetent party and the crazy party. I don't see any real reason to celebrate going from one to the other.


I would argue a crazy party out of power is likely to get crazier. While an incompetent party out of power might be forced to look at it's incompetence and find better ways to do things.

Kasz216 said:
Squilliam said:
You have the professionally incompetent party and the crazy party. I don't see any real reason to celebrate going from one to the other.


I would argue a crazy party out of power is likely to get crazier. While an incompetent party out of power might be forced to look at it's incompetence and find better ways to do things.

No not really. They get paid to be incompetent/crazy by their donors. Never expect a man to understand anything which his salary depends on him not knowing.



Tease.

If it weren't for all the government layoffs we would of had less then 8% unemployment _months_ ago. It's the government downsizing that has been keeping the unemployment high. The private sector has been adding jobs at a pretty good clip actually, considering the huge hole we were in the start with.

Not to mention, as a backdrop, private corps have been experiencing their highest profits in decades.

Government jobs, across the board, federal, state, and local have been being shed. You do the bloody math.



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Kasz216 said:
Squilliam said:
You have the professionally incompetent party and the crazy party. I don't see any real reason to celebrate going from one to the other.


I would argue a crazy party out of power is likely to get crazier. While an incompetent party out of power might be forced to look at it's incompetence and find better ways to do things.

The crazy party was in power for 8 years not so long ago and that didn't make them any less crazy, on the contrary...



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So Obama herited a country in middle of two wars, in the middle of the worse economic crisis since the great depression and with a yearly budget deficit of 1 billion $ and somehow you expected the budget stay afloat the last 4 years ?

 

Bush herited a country with a budget surplus and no war... Lets see who did the worse job here...

And Romney might not be Bush, but it's still the same people that run the republican party and will end up staffing the White House if Romney wins..



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theprof00 said:
snyps said:
Romney, Obama, bush, Clinton all work for Goldman sacs.. Don't believe me? Look at their treasury secretaries!,,


More than half the presidents cabinets are always Goldman sacs employees.


Look at their donors!,,, www.opensecrets.com. ( Goldman sacs and Blue cross own both sides )


There is no left or right, just two wings of the same bird of prey. Look into it or you are lying to YOURSELF

Which is why Obama is sucha greta overlooked choice.

Obama's greatest accomplishment was getting the world to respect us once again. NOBODY likes a dictatorial potus except ourselves. Oh jfk was such a hero!!! jism. Sure. He was. I agree. But we let it get to our heads and now we bully because everyone has to have their jfk moment.

We earn the world's respect by doing what they're incapable of, not by pretending to be something they're much better at.

I'm guessing the news channels you watch haven't been covering all the turmoil that's going on in the Middle-east.  We are not more respected in the world by any means, especially by the Islamic world.  Not only do they still not like us, but they also view us as weak.

@ Tigerlure

I didn't skew the poll to favor Romney.  Check again, it only now reflects the exact turn out of the '08 election.  But if you wish to think '12 is going to be more favorable for Obama (even more Democrats voting than Republicans and even Independents) then you go right ahead.  You're only fooling yourself.

@ Ali

And Reagan had a pretty shitty economy to handle when he got into office, too.  Unemployment was 7.5%.  We had the Cold War going on.  And GDP growth in 1980 was -0.3%.  While unemployment had only dropped to 7.2% (it was 5.3% his last year in office) the year he was reelected, the country was actually growing rather quickly.  The year prior, 1983, had a growth rate of 4.5%, with a couple of quarters ~8% growth.  Flash to now, in 2011 we grew a measly 1.7%.  And the 2nd quarter of 2012, growth was adjusted down to just 1.3%, from the previously believed 1.7%.  Let's keep in mind Reagan only added ~1.85T (~3.46T if adjusted for inflation) to the debt in 8 years, while Obama will have added ~6T after just 4 years in and not even come close to having 4.5% growth.  It's not the economy you are handed, but what you do to fix it that counts.  And the election will illustrate this.



If anything, those left-inclined should be jolted into action as more people realize that the Republicans have leapt off the deep end in the most spectacular way since the Tea Party came in, and that they pose an active threat to many ways of life.



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thismeintiel said:
theprof00 said:
snyps said:
Romney, Obama, bush, Clinton all work for Goldman sacs.. Don't believe me? Look at their treasury secretaries!,,


More than half the presidents cabinets are always Goldman sacs employees.


Look at their donors!,,, www.opensecrets.com. ( Goldman sacs and Blue cross own both sides )


There is no left or right, just two wings of the same bird of prey. Look into it or you are lying to YOURSELF

Which is why Obama is sucha greta overlooked choice.

Obama's greatest accomplishment was getting the world to respect us once again. NOBODY likes a dictatorial potus except ourselves. Oh jfk was such a hero!!! jism. Sure. He was. I agree. But we let it get to our heads and now we bully because everyone has to have their jfk moment.

We earn the world's respect by doing what they're incapable of, not by pretending to be something they're much better at.

I'm guessing the news channels you watch haven't been covering all the turmoil that's going on in the Middle-east.  We are not more respected in the world by any means, especially by the Islamic world.  Not only do they still not like us, but they also view us as weak.

@ Tigerlure

I didn't skew the poll to favor Romney.  Check again, it only now reflects the exact turn out of the '08 election.  But if you wish to think '12 is going to be more favorable for Obama (even more Democrats voting than Republicans and even Independents) then you go right ahead.  You're only fooling yourself.

@ Ali

And Reagan had a pretty shitty economy to handle when he got into office, too.  Unemployment was 7.5%.  We had the Cold War going on.  And GDP growth in 1980 was -0.3%.  While unemployment had only dropped to 7.2% (it was 5.3% his last year in office) the year he was reelected, the country was actually growing rather quickly.  The year prior, 1983, had a growth rate of 4.5%, with a couple of quarters ~8% growth.  Flash to now, in 2011 we grew a measly 1.7%.  And the 2nd quarter of 2012, growth was adjusted down to just 1.3%, from the previously believed 1.7%.  Let's keep in mind Reagan only added ~1.85T (~3.46T if adjusted for inflation) to the debt in 8 years, while Obama will have added ~6T after just 4 years in and not even come close to having 4.5% growth.  It's not the economy you are handed, but what you do to fix it that counts.  And the election will illustrate this.


Of course it won't reflect 2008. Many people are now independents instead of Democrats or Republicans. That doesn't mean they won't vote for Obama again though. Also, I'm definitely going to put my stock in Gallup or another professional polling agency than unskewedpolls.com or some random right wing guy or who didn't like the fact that Romney was losing. You simply don't change polls just to put your guy in the lead. The two links I posted explain exactly why that is wrong. Democrats complained of the polling samples back in 2004 using the same excuse Republicans are making and they still lost. Republicans are just doing the same now.



Tigerlure said:
thismeintiel said:
theprof00 said:
snyps said:
Romney, Obama, bush, Clinton all work for Goldman sacs.. Don't believe me? Look at their treasury secretaries!,,


More than half the presidents cabinets are always Goldman sacs employees.


Look at their donors!,,, www.opensecrets.com. ( Goldman sacs and Blue cross own both sides )


There is no left or right, just two wings of the same bird of prey. Look into it or you are lying to YOURSELF

Which is why Obama is sucha greta overlooked choice.

Obama's greatest accomplishment was getting the world to respect us once again. NOBODY likes a dictatorial potus except ourselves. Oh jfk was such a hero!!! jism. Sure. He was. I agree. But we let it get to our heads and now we bully because everyone has to have their jfk moment.

We earn the world's respect by doing what they're incapable of, not by pretending to be something they're much better at.

I'm guessing the news channels you watch haven't been covering all the turmoil that's going on in the Middle-east.  We are not more respected in the world by any means, especially by the Islamic world.  Not only do they still not like us, but they also view us as weak.

@ Tigerlure

I didn't skew the poll to favor Romney.  Check again, it only now reflects the exact turn out of the '08 election.  But if you wish to think '12 is going to be more favorable for Obama (even more Democrats voting than Republicans and even Independents) then you go right ahead.  You're only fooling yourself.

@ Ali

And Reagan had a pretty shitty economy to handle when he got into office, too.  Unemployment was 7.5%.  We had the Cold War going on.  And GDP growth in 1980 was -0.3%.  While unemployment had only dropped to 7.2% (it was 5.3% his last year in office) the year he was reelected, the country was actually growing rather quickly.  The year prior, 1983, had a growth rate of 4.5%, with a couple of quarters ~8% growth.  Flash to now, in 2011 we grew a measly 1.7%.  And the 2nd quarter of 2012, growth was adjusted down to just 1.3%, from the previously believed 1.7%.  Let's keep in mind Reagan only added ~1.85T (~3.46T if adjusted for inflation) to the debt in 8 years, while Obama will have added ~6T after just 4 years in and not even come close to having 4.5% growth.  It's not the economy you are handed, but what you do to fix it that counts.  And the election will illustrate this.


Of course it won't reflect 2008. Many people are now independents instead of Democrats or Republicans. That doesn't mean they won't vote for Obama again though. Also, I'm definitely going to put my stock in Gallup or another professional polling agency than unskewedpolls.com or some random right wing guy or who didn't like the fact that Romney was losing. You simply don't change polls just to put your guy in the lead. The two links I posted explain exactly why that is wrong. Democrats complained of the polling samples back in 2004 using the same excuse Republicans are making and they still lost. Republicans are just doing the same now.

Aye, if we accuse the pollsters of being unscientific, what in the hell is unskewed polls doing? Randomly deciding certain groups are underrepresented and unilaterally upping the numbers?



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