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Jaywood2010 on 29 September 2012
Dgc1808 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Dgc1808 said:
Going by total sales of all 3 systems, I'd say they're succeeding,


Total sales only tells so much.  When you sale your console at a loss you lose money and then rely on software.  Sony lost billions on the PS3.  Xbox lost a lot as well on the RROD, they have more income though due to XBL but all in all systems sold is pointless beyond a console war


Not talking about profit. Talking about relevance. If they're fightint to stay relevent, I'd say they're doing a decent job at it.

Without profits they will become irrelevent.  Do you understand if sony doesn't start turning a profit then there may be no more sony to turn in a profit with?




       

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Jaywood2010 on 29 September 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Dgc1808 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Dgc1808 said:
Going by total sales of all 3 systems, I'd say they're succeeding,


Total sales only tells so much.  When you sale your console at a loss you lose money and then rely on software.  Sony lost billions on the PS3.  Xbox lost a lot as well on the RROD, they have more income though due to XBL but all in all systems sold is pointless beyond a console war


Not talking about profit. Talking about relevance. If they're fightint to stay relevent, I'd say they're doing a decent job at it.


Sonys sales in third should be considered graceful. They are selling more in third than the Xbox and Gamecube sold combined last gen against the PS2.


As I stated before systems sold means nothing.  Gamecube made a profit.  I don't know if XBOX did or not but I do know that Microsoft didn't lose money in the years of the original XBOX




       

Jay520 on 29 September 2012
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Dgc1808 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Dgc1808 said:
Going by total sales of all 3 systems, I'd say they're succeeding,


Total sales only tells so much.  When you sale your console at a loss you lose money and then rely on software.  Sony lost billions on the PS3.  Xbox lost a lot as well on the RROD, they have more income though due to XBL but all in all systems sold is pointless beyond a console war


Not talking about profit. Talking about relevance. If they're fightint to stay relevent, I'd say they're doing a decent job at it.


Sonys sales in third should be considered graceful. They are selling more in third than the Xbox and Gamecube sold combined last gen against the PS2.


As I stated before systems sold means nothing.  Gamecube made a profit.  I don't know if XBOX did or not but I do know that Microsoft didn't lose money in the years of the original XBOX



huh? The XBOX lost a lot of money.

d21lewis on 29 September 2012
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Dgc1808 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Dgc1808 said:
Going by total sales of all 3 systems, I'd say they're succeeding,


Total sales only tells so much.  When you sale your console at a loss you lose money and then rely on software.  Sony lost billions on the PS3.  Xbox lost a lot as well on the RROD, they have more income though due to XBL but all in all systems sold is pointless beyond a console war


Not talking about profit. Talking about relevance. If they're fightint to stay relevent, I'd say they're doing a decent job at it.


Sonys sales in third should be considered graceful. They are selling more in third than the Xbox and Gamecube sold combined last gen against the PS2.


As I stated before systems sold means nothing.  Gamecube made a profit.  I don't know if XBOX did or not but I do know that Microsoft didn't lose money in the years of the original XBOX


Don't quote me on this but I think the original Xbox sold at like $100 loss for pretty much the entire gen.  Microsoft as a whole did well but the Xbox was losing money all along.  The thing is, this was their strategy.  I still have the issue of EGM where they interviewed the creators and they said that they weren't just thinking about that gen.  They were thinking 10 or 20 years down the road about getting the Xbox into position.  I'm really tempted to dig that issue out--it had a green cover.



ninetailschris on 29 September 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Dgc1808 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Dgc1808 said:
Going by total sales of all 3 systems, I'd say they're succeeding,


Total sales only tells so much.  When you sale your console at a loss you lose money and then rely on software.  Sony lost billions on the PS3.  Xbox lost a lot as well on the RROD, they have more income though due to XBL but all in all systems sold is pointless beyond a console war


Not talking about profit. Talking about relevance. If they're fightint to stay relevent, I'd say they're doing a decent job at it.


Sonys sales in third should be considered graceful. They are selling more in third than the Xbox and Gamecube sold combined last gen against the PS2.


A system with 67 install base on par with a system with 22 or 28 million? Are we to be impressed?



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Jaywood2010 on 29 September 2012
Jay520 said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Dgc1808 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Dgc1808 said:
Going by total sales of all 3 systems, I'd say they're succeeding,


Total sales only tells so much.  When you sale your console at a loss you lose money and then rely on software.  Sony lost billions on the PS3.  Xbox lost a lot as well on the RROD, they have more income though due to XBL but all in all systems sold is pointless beyond a console war


Not talking about profit. Talking about relevance. If they're fightint to stay relevent, I'd say they're doing a decent job at it.


Sonys sales in third should be considered graceful. They are selling more in third than the Xbox and Gamecube sold combined last gen against the PS2.


As I stated before systems sold means nothing.  Gamecube made a profit.  I don't know if XBOX did or not but I do know that Microsoft didn't lose money in the years of the original XBOX


huh? The XBOX lost a lot of money.


Yeah I wasnt for sure if it did or not.  What I said is I know Microsoft didnt lose money yearly.  That is because of Windows though.  




       

Jaywood2010 on 29 September 2012
d21lewis said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Dgc1808 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Dgc1808 said:
Going by total sales of all 3 systems, I'd say they're succeeding,


Total sales only tells so much.  When you sale your console at a loss you lose money and then rely on software.  Sony lost billions on the PS3.  Xbox lost a lot as well on the RROD, they have more income though due to XBL but all in all systems sold is pointless beyond a console war


Not talking about profit. Talking about relevance. If they're fightint to stay relevent, I'd say they're doing a decent job at it.


Sonys sales in third should be considered graceful. They are selling more in third than the Xbox and Gamecube sold combined last gen against the PS2.


As I stated before systems sold means nothing.  Gamecube made a profit.  I don't know if XBOX did or not but I do know that Microsoft didn't lose money in the years of the original XBOX


Don't quote me on this but I think the original Xbox sold at like $100 loss for pretty much the entire gen.  Microsoft as a whole did well but the Xbox was losing money all along.  The thing is, this was their strategy.  I still have the issue of EGM where they interviewed the creators and they said that they weren't just thinking about that gen.  They were thinking 10 or 20 years down the road about getting the Xbox into position.  I'm really tempted to dig that issue out--it had a green cover.

Microsoft is an agressive company and they do play things smart.  Over-all there plan worked if that's the case being pretty much even with sony this gen.  They are now a big name instead of being considered newcomers.  Anyways if you find it you should post it.  




       

MARCUSDJACKSON on 29 September 2012
VicViper said:

On the Vita front maybe... On PS4, no... still a huge brand, probably the biggest of the three (but while not on red alert, a cautious yellow alert is wise)

I think the safer one is MS, really (outside Nintendo in Japan).
Sony must differentiate a little more this time from the Xbox though... I really don't think they can take another round with them, being as similar as this gen. MS is just too powerful to be taken head-on. The famous gap is 2 million in reality, but if you take off Japan (where MS never had or will have a chance) it becomes even bigger... showing how much space Sony lost to them in the west this gen, and how much MS grew... and that happened while Sony did a super fine job (better than MS to most, including me) on game develoment

agreed.

i don't see sony fighting to stay relevant, as much as trying to find thier place in a world where they are the number one music publisher, and 2-1000 in other markets.

trying to stay relevant? no. lost? yes.



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Nsanity on 29 September 2012

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MARCUSDJACKSON on 29 September 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:

 

@Sales2099

@Jay520

@Leo-J

 

First off Sales2099 is the only one looking at this from a business persepective.  Leo is taking this from a bias perspective, and  Jay you just, idk.   Everything Sales2099 has said that I've read is correct.  Yes Madden is huge btw why do you guys think they sale it every year.  Can you imagine how much profits they are getting out of a game that barely has to update each year?   

 

Halo/Gears/Forza is way bigger than Sony's first party.  I don't even know why this is being argued.  If you're going to argue let's look at the numbers. These are how much each franchise has sold this gen

 

Halo-28.99m and with Halo 4 that's going to increase

Gears of War-18.04m

Forza-11.45m

Total-58.48

 

Uncharted-14.57m

Gran Turismo-7.87m

God of War-7.53m

Total-29.97

 

Halo alone almost matches the totals for all three of Sony's exclusives.  With halo 4 it will pass all three. 

 

And Leo, so you said PSN is the best online service?  XBL has much more  respect for multiple reasons but I know what you're going to say.  FREE, am I correct.  Sorry but Steam is 10x better than PSN and it's also free.  

 

If you all really think it's ok for a company to go from making an insane amount of profits with the PS2 to losing billions with the ps3 you have a problem.  Graphics is not even noticeable between X360 and PS3, play pc if you wanna a difference.  600 dollars was a huge mistake just like the Vita is making a huge mistake with making memory cards over priced and an expensive portable console.  Get rid of your bias opinions, Sales2099 is the only one correct here so I don't understand the argument here.  Please explain.

 

 


Thats great bro. Microsoft might have three titles that are strong, but those sales are supplemented by the fact that Sony has way more games for potential sales.

Which mostly fall below the radar.....

Very true, you're both right in some respect, but the fact remains that a good enough percentage of Sonys first party becomes known throughout aspects of its  respective generation and carries over. Microsoft forced Sony into a position that caused Sonys first party to become greater than ever before. At least you could admit that. The sale of all of the games supplement the cause. 

wow i've been gone to long. agreed.



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