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Forums - Gaming - AMD Sea Islands aka 8000 series GPUs will be featured in next generation consoles

JEMC on 21 September 2012
haxxiy said:
JEMC said:

Actually Sea Islands are the optimized version of Nothern Islands.

That's the reason that allows AMD to put more transistors and make them run at a higher frequency aand at the same time keeping the same power consumption (8850) or even reducing it (8870).

I'm not sure. It probably still have a way to go on driver updates to be as good, pound per pound, as Northern Islands. Besides, there's a good chance yields are lower with so much transistors packed in. Of course, one year from now things are likely going to be very different. But I don't know, better to wait and see.

Well, the roadmap at the OP says that the newer Sea islands cards will be cheaper than the ones they will replace, and given that they use the same architecture, they should be much better pound per pound.

Yield isues won't be a big problem if, and only if, TSMC finally irons the 28nm process.

But I don't think neither MS nor Sony will use them, it's too risky.



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Play4Fun on 21 September 2012
JEMC said:
haxxiy said:
Can't see why they would do that since the manufacturing process is the same. Sea Islands is basically Northern Islands on steroids, bigger and hungrier. It'd be better to stick with the already existing, optimized architecture.

PS4 and X720 will probably come up with something on the 1.5-2 TFLOPS range and about 100-120W TDP. That's quite a leap already over current and a certain upcoming hardware. But of course, no 8000 series.

Actually Sea Islands are the optimized version of Nothern Islands.

That's the reason that allows AMD to put more transistors and make them run at a higher frequency aand at the same time keeping the same power consumption (8850) or even reducing it (8870).


Since the die size is larger, does that mean the 8800 GPUs are bigger than the 7800s?

I'm not very well versed in these things.



JEMC on 21 September 2012
Play4Fun said:
JEMC said:
haxxiy said:
Can't see why they would do that since the manufacturing process is the same. Sea Islands is basically Northern Islands on steroids, bigger and hungrier. It'd be better to stick with the already existing, optimized architecture.

PS4 and X720 will probably come up with something on the 1.5-2 TFLOPS range and about 100-120W TDP. That's quite a leap already over current and a certain upcoming hardware. But of course, no 8000 series.

Actually Sea Islands are the optimized version of Nothern Islands.

That's the reason that allows AMD to put more transistors and make them run at a higher frequency aand at the same time keeping the same power consumption (8850) or even reducing it (8870).


Since the die size is larger, does that mean the 8800 GPUs are bigger than the 7800s?

I'm not very well versed in these things.

Again from the OP:

Die SIZE: 7870_ 212 mm^2 => 8870_ 270 mm^2

Yes, they are bigger.



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the2real4mafol on 21 September 2012
pezus said:

@the2real: Everyone always says that and always turns out wrong. As long as there are tech advances, graphics will improve, not to mention physics and AI.

Surely there is an actual limit to how far graphics, AI and physics can go?



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Play4Fun on 21 September 2012
the2real4mafol said:
pezus said:

@the2real: Everyone always says that and always turns out wrong. As long as there are tech advances, graphics will improve, not to mention physics and AI.

Surely there is an actual limit to how far graphics, AI and physics can go?


If there is a limit, we're nowhere near there yet, but there is diminishing returns...for graphics at least since we've barely gone anywhere in regards to physics and Ai, IMO.

They're left behind in favour of better graphics.



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BenVTrigger on 21 September 2012

There is no limit on graphics until it looks as real as the world around you.

We are nowhere near that



the2real4mafol on 21 September 2012
BenVTrigger said:
There is no limit on graphics until it looks as real as the world around you.

We are nowhere near that

I don't know about you, but I don't want games to look like the real world, I play games to escape the real world for a few hours a day. 



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BenVTrigger on 21 September 2012

Well thats where we disagree. Not all games need to be photorealistic but thats what I want and where games are headed

In about 2-3 more gens we will have reached photo realism or close to it



Slimebeast on 21 September 2012

I don't know, is this source legit? These numbers seem almost too good to be true. Power consumption seems to have been significantly reduced which is awesome news for next gen consoles.

This would strengthen my prediction of PS4 and Nextbox being 8 times the power of an X360 though.



Play4Fun on 21 September 2012
BenVTrigger said:
Well thats where we disagree. Not all games need to be photorealistic but thats what I want and where games are headed

In about 2-3 more gens we will have reached photo realism or close to it


I think we'll be there the gen after next gen. As CGI-Quality already said, Crysis mods get so close to it already.

Also a month or so ago, Crytek said something  about being able to render real world graphics when GPUs hit 5 (if I'm remebering correctly) teraflops.