Are people still trying to convince CrazzyMan?

Seriously, I admire perseverance as much as the next guy, but...

i just have to say this

 

@ crazy if releasing a new sku does not equal a pricedrop then why not start the sales for th system over since it is a new console that is released under that sku. now onto your little numbers thing here. if ps2 2001 = ps3 2008 then that means wii destroys both ps2 and ps3 combined. thanks for the showing then hehe

CrazzyMan said: Linkzmax, CrazzyMan said: 2. 2008 is 2nd PS3 year just like 2001 is 2nd PS2 year. PS2 1st year life: Jpn - 10 months / Ame - 2.5mth / Eu - 1.5mth BUT it is still 10 months of console LIFE, 10 months, during which developers were developing games for PS2. PS3 1st year life: Jpn - 13 months / Ame - 13.5mth / Eu - 9 months BUT it is still only 13 months of console LIFE. Only 13 months, during which developers were developing games. YES, it`s PS3 ADVANTAGE that it was selling more time during it`s first year in regions like US and EU. BUT come on, DOES it FAIR to compare console, which launched at 600$ price with console at 300$??? NO! So, it`s a COMPROMISE. CrazzyMan said: Again: PS3 (NA+EU) sales in 2008 = PS2 (NA+EU) sales in 2001 That isn't a 1 week thing, that is a trend. YEAH, in JAPAN PS3 wasn`t doing good compared to PS2 WHOLE YEAR. That is a TREND, INDEED, AND that`s why i wrote about Japan apart from NA+EU, since that Japan Trend has chances to change in better way for PS3. JUST like US+EU trend may change in worse way for PS3 during last 10 weeks of 2008. Now, to be clear: PS3 in 2008 is not doing WW as good(equal WW) as PS2 in 2001, because of poor sales in JAPAN only, while EU and NA sales COMPENSATE each other. @koffieboon, NEW SKU =/= pricedrop. This is just a FACT. Pricedrop - when one product get price down, and 40Gb model is a different product. It`s just like saying, 20Gb model was pricedroped at launch, since it costed 500$, while 60Gb model 600$. Just plain stupid. About Others, new games like LBP, Resistance, Motorstorm and other are only on the way of release + add bundles. then popularity of blu-ray = WIN. The sales WILL increase.

@red part.

Except none of those things matter because ONLY SALES MATTER!!!. Developers were developing games for the PS2 back in 1999, and for PS3 in 2005... but that has nothing to do with how long it was allowed to sell for.

And price is also not a factor, it's not the consumers fault Sony made a stupidly expensive console, if you want to get into revenue made then fine, except you don't because ONLY SALES MATTER. (That and revenue means nothing when the profits are negative)

 

This thread amuses me. How you guys have the patience to argue with a crazzy man is cracking me up.

@TWRoO,

yeah, that`s why i compare sales since console LIFE and NOT when it was launched in Europe or USA.

@scorptile, i don`t care about Wii, it`s NOT getting games like DMC4, GTA4, MGS4, RE5, FFXIII, FFXIIIv, GoW3, KZ2, SO4, GT5, Tekken 6, Yakuza 3 and etc. So why i should care how much it sells? =))

p.s. *THE MAIN POINT of THIS THREAD - is to SEE how far/close will PS3 be in 2008 compared to PS2 with it`s 16 mln. consoles sold in 2001.

and IF we TAKE PS3 selling trend of US+EU in 2008, which is EQUAL to PS2 selling trend of US+EU in 2001.
If we TAKE WW sales, then PS3 is doing by ~ 2mln. worse(ONLY because of Japan), then PS2 in 2001, and for now, is on track of 14 mln. sales in 2nd year of life, and that is GREAT, since x360 did only 8 mln. in it`s 2nd year.

@Crazzy: I already mentioned arguing about the pricedrop any further was futile, so I won't go into it anymore.

As far as Others goes, I never said PS3's sales won't go up. I just highly doubt it will be able to keep up with PS2 in 2001 when looking at its numbers throughout the year. And even then, doing as well as PS2 in 2001 in Others isn't enough, considering it will also need to compensate for the losses in the Americas.

On a related note, how do you compare you 14 million estimation for PS3 in 2008 with the numbers Sony provides in their forecast. Even in the Q2 report they still expect to ship only 10 million PS3s in the fiscal year, which puts their shipment numbers at around 22.5 million in March 2009. Most likely for the end of 2008 this means Sony expects to ship around 20-21 million consoles, which means they can't sell more than aproximately 12 million PS3s in 2008.

I finally get it. If we remove the PS3, Sony is the winner! This must be the reason of this thread.

I'm thinking of proposing a new cherry picking forum rule just for Crazzyman.

d21lewis said: This thread amuses me. How you guys have the patience to argue with a crazzy man is cracking me up.

yeh man this thread is great!

 

CrazzyMan said: @TWRoO, ONLY SALES MATTER!!!. yeah, that`s why i compare sales since console LIFE and NOT when it was launched in Europe or USA.

The problem is now you want to disregard Japan sales and say that EU+US sales are very close to each other.  And when you do that the whole claim to second years falls apart, as I already demonstrated.  It may not be fair that they were released at different prices as you constantly point out, but you can't balance that unfairness by doing a comparison between different years(non-Japan PS2 first year VS non-Japan PS3 second year).

 

For your criteria to come anywhere near being a valid and useful comparison, you have to view the whole thing worldwide, with every region counted.  If you're going to start breaking it down into different regions, than you either have to change the criteria to remain a valid and useful comparison, or it just becomes something fun and comical.