Neos said: I wanted 5k posts =)) go on crazzyman =))

 

This is your one and only warning: if you want 5k posts actually make the posts.  Do not spam a thread because you don't like it.

twesterm said: Neos said: I wanted 5k posts =)) go on crazzyman =))   This is your one and only warning: if you want 5k posts actually make the posts.  Do not spam a thread because you don't like it.

I was also considering reporting him on that one with the 2 owls, but Crazzy responded with his own "retard" remark.

 

@TWRoO, ANY comparison CAN`T be FAIR.
For FAIR comparison, both consoles must launch at same days in every regions, with same price. There are Sooo many factors.

You are FREE to do whatever you want, if it doesn`t offend people.

Just for people like you i wrote:
*THE MAIN POINT of THIS THREAD - is to SEE how far/close will PS3 be in 2008 compared to PS2 with it`s 16 mln. consoles sold in 2001.

You can't force people to limit their discussion to narrowly defined parameters that only you control. That is dictation, not discussion. We are here to discuss, not propagandize.

CrazzyMan said: @TWRoO, ANY comparison CAN`T be FAIR. For FAIR comparison, both consoles must launch at same days in every regions, with same price. There are Sooo many factors. I could make a thread comparing PS3 2007 to Wii 2009 if I wanted, You are FREE to do whatever you want, if it doesn`t offend people. Just for people like you i wrote: *THE MAIN POINT of THIS THREAD - is to SEE how far/close will PS3 be in 2008 compared to PS2 with it`s 16 mln. consoles sold in 2001.

Fair is not the same as perfect.

A fair comparison can easily be made for the purposes of comparing two competing consoles orfor predicting the future sales of consoles.

Like the one I mentioned earlier which I linked to my own post about Wii hardware/software versus PS2 hardware/software.... it certainly wasn't a perfect comparison because the PS2 gained 8 months of Japanese sales, but I mentioned that as something to consider in my post, and otherwise tried to make it as fair as possible.

I'm not saying you should stop this thread continuing or anything, and sure keep your MAIN POINT, but that doesn't stop the whole comparison being useless for anything other than comparing for the sake of it (the same as me doing the comparisons I mentioned)

 

Why do I get the feeling that next year we'll have a 900-post thread comparing PS3's 2009 sales to PS2's 2001 sales based on some half-baked argument that the PS3's price in 2009 is about equal to the PS2's price in 2001 so it's the only fair comparison.

Maybe I shouldn't be giving people ideas. ;>

DKII said: Why do I get the feeling that next year we'll have a 900-post thread comparing PS3's 2009 sales to PS2's 2001 sales based on some half-baked argument that the PS3's price in 2009 is about equal to the PS2's price in 2001 so it's the only fair comparison. Maybe I shouldn't be giving people ideas. ;>

 

LOL! Good show, DKII! Poor Crazzy would probably actually think that! ^_^;;

just one thing seeling the same is not good because the industry has grown a lot

TWRoO,
1. it`s NOT useless for ME and people who:
care about sales of Sony products.
are not Sony haters.
and believe in PS3 success.

2. 2008 is 2nd PS3 year just like 2001 is 2nd PS2 year.

PS2 1st year life: Jpn - 10 months / Ame - 2.5mth / Eu - 1.5mth
BUT it is still 10 months of console LIFE, 10 months, during which developers were developing games for PS2.

PS3 1st year life: Jpn - 13 months / Ame - 13.5mth / Eu - 9 months
BUT it is still only 13 months of console LIFE.
Only 13 months, during which developers were developing games.

YES, it`s PS3 ADVANTAGE that it was selling more time during it`s first year in regions like US and EU.

BUT

come on, DOES it FAIR to compare console, which launched at 600$ price with console at 300$??? NO!

So, it`s a COMPROMISE.

CrazzyMan said: @koffieboon, so far, VGChartz Hardware data for the period 06th Jan 2001 to 03rd Nov 2001: Console PS2 Total 9,526,378 America 3,782,531 Japan 2,499,385 Total Others 3,244,462 VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Jan 2008 to 01st Nov 2008: Console PS3 Total 7,642,867 America 2,745,269 Japan 753,955 Total Others 4,143,643 If you remove Japan, then PS3 (NA+EU) sales in 2008 = PS2 (NA+EU) sales in 2001, so far. then PS2 in Japan, VGChartz Hardware data for the period 10th Nov 2001 to 29th Dec 2001: Console PS2 Japan 1,071,365 and last year PS3, VGChartz Hardware data for the period 10th Nov 2007 to 29th Dec 2007: Console PS3 Japan 405,182 And last year Japan didn`t have ALL PS3 80GB models bundled with GT5P Spec III, neither LBP bundles(which still have potential), and incoming PES2009 bundle + WKC on track.

No, last year PS3 had an actual pricedrop in Japan, which is far better than this years offering to increase sales in the short term.

As far as your reasoning about leaving Japan out, that really makes no sense at all. The whole year long you have been comparing worldwide sales, and now that PS3 is quickly falling behind you want to take out Japan and just compare Others and the Americas combined. Well, looking at those two regions I can see 2 things:

In the Americas PS3 is already trending far behind and in the last 2 months it has sold only 65% compared to PS2. It will not even get close to PS2 2001 numbers and could very easily be outsold by almost a million in this region in the holiday season.

As far as Others is concerned, this region has throughout the year been the only reason why it looked close worldwide. But in the last 2 months even here it lost some ground. It might end up selling close to PS2 in 2001, but that would be a best scenario to me. Just as easily I could see it fall short of the 2.4 million PS2 did by quite a margin and end up selling closer to its 2007 sales. Considering October 2007 and 2008 for Others are almost equal, this really isn't a very unlikely scenario, although I would call it a worst case scenario.

In conclusion, while I agree with you PS3 will most likely get outsold by over 500k by PS2 in Japan, I expect another million will be added by the Americas and half a million by Others, for a total of around 2 million.