dsoverpsp said:
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Maybe, but the PS2 had GTA 3 at the same point in it's lifespan. Well, a few months earlier.
dsoverpsp said:
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Maybe, but the PS2 had GTA 3 at the same point in it's lifespan. Well, a few months earlier.
HappySqurriel said: It will be interesting to see what happens to this thread when the wheels fall off this comparison ... Up until (about) the middle of April in 2001 the PS2 was supply limited in North America and Europe, it started averaging over 300,000 units per week leading up to (and following) the release of Gran Turismo 3, and then had a massive christmas because of the release of Grand Theft Auto 3. |
this whole comparison is completely flawed to begin with. Why are we comparing 2001 to 2008? PS2 was just released only a half year back in America and Europe in this comparison, and just over a year in Japan. The PS3 has been released for a year in Europe and a year and a half in Japan and America.
In other words you are comparing the second half of PS2's first year (in everywhere but Japan) to the 2nd half of PS3's 2nd year. PS2 was severely supply constrained in this time also.
Why don't you compare 2002 to 2008? Well, I think I already know that answer.
Of course i don't expect anything better from crazzyman.
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The_God_of_War said:
Maybe, but the PS2 had GTA 3 at the same point in it's lifespan. Well, a few months earlier. |
Well that and the PS2 was only out in Japan for the first 7 months of it's lifespan... AND severly supply limited. Then Supply limited when it started in the US and Europe.
A better indicator is to compare each market sepratley. Which Crazyman doesn't use because... well it paints PS3 in a much more negative light... since the PS3 is behind everywhere... by significant margins... it's closest in Japan... where the PS3 is 1.5 million behind or so. In the other two markets it's behind by about 3.5 million and 4.5 million.
Actually aligning every launch instead of just when it launched in japan puts PS3 down by 9.5 million. As you can see. Not as cheery an outlook.
I decided to make a comparison between PS2 numbers of 2001 and PS3 numbers of 2008, because:
1) 2008 is first year, when PS3 will be selling WW for FULL year - 2001 was first year, when PS2 was selling WW for FULL year.
2) In 2001 were released BIG games like MGS2, GTA3, FFX, DMC, GT3. Games like MGS4, GTA4, FFXIII, DMC4, GT5 also aimed to 2008.
3) 2008 is second PS3 year, 2001 was second PS2. PS2 sold 16 mln. in 2001.
PS2 launched in March 2000. Was selling for 10 month.
PS3 launched in November 2006. Was selling for 1,5 month.
10 month of 2000 close to 1 year? YES.
1,5 month of 2006 close to 1 year? NO.
12 month of 2007 close to 1 year? YES.
Overall:
2000 PS2 = 2007 PS3.
2001 PS2 = 2008 PS3.
Console`s life STARTS with NOT launch in EVERY region, BUT since FIRST launch.
PS3 was launched in Europe almost 5 month later and still you see the that PS3 other sales are compared to LTD sales of wii and x360, NOT 13 months of European ps3 sales with 13 months of European sales of wii and x360.
And x360 had supply problems in USA during first 2-3 months, so what? Who cares. Excuse and nothing more.
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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.
Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.
1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.
PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far
CrazzyMan said: I decided to make a comparison between PS2 numbers of 2001 and PS3 numbers of 2008, because: 1) 2008 is first year, when PS3 will be selling WW for FULL year - 2001 was first year, when PS2 was selling WW for FULL year. 2) In 2001 were released BIG games like MGS2, GTA3, FFX, DMC, GT3. Games like MGS4, GTA4, FFXIII, DMC4, GT5 also aimed to 2008. 3) 2008 is second PS3 year, 2001 was second PS2. PS2 sold 16 mln. in 2001. PS2 launched in March 2000. Was selling for 10 month. PS3 launched in November 2006. Was selling for 1,5 month. 10 month of 2000 close to 1 year? YES. 1,5 month of 2006 close to 1 year? NO. 12 month of 2007 close to 1 year? YES. Overall: 2000 PS2 = 2007 PS3. 2001 PS2 = 2008 PS3. Console`s life STARTS with NOT launch in EVERY region, BUT since FIRST launch. PS3 was launched in Europe almost 5 month later and still you see the that PS3 other sales are compared to LTD sales of wii and x360, NOT 13 months of European ps3 sales with 13 months of European sales of wii and x360. |
That's because they're in the same generation... and are used to compare there totals, unlike what you are trying to do, infer the PS3 is going to be successful because the PS2 is.
The Wii, 360 and PS3 aren't using each other as predictors. While you are trying to use the PS2 as a predictor. It's a very different use of data.
Kasz216 said:
Well that and the PS2 was only out in Japan for the first 7 months of it's lifespan... AND severly supply limited. Then Supply limited when it started in the US and Europe. A better indicator is to compare each market sepratley. Which Crazyman doesn't use because... well it paints PS3 in a much more negative light... since the PS3 is behind everywhere... by significant margins... it's closest in Japan... where the PS3 is 1.5 million behind or so. In the other two markets it's behind by about 3.5 million and 4.5 million. Actually aligning every launch instead of just when it launched in japan puts PS3 down by 9.5 million. As you can see. Not as cheery an outlook. |
The real question is, when this thread starts painting a less rosy situation for the PS3 (it's bound to happen due to those reasons), what will the next thread be? We can always count on CrazzyMan to find a metric which appears to point at PS3 domination.
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NJ5 said:
The real question is, when this thread starts painting a less rosy situation for the PS3 (it's bound to happen due to those reasons), what will the next thread be? We can always count on CrazzyMan to find a metric which appears to point at PS3 domination.
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I'd guess the software of last generations Sony only franchises being released this year... showing that games like GTA4 and Devil May Cry selling more is great news because it shows that Sony's franchises are more popular. (even if most their sales are on 360.)
Either that or he holds off till Christmas or so.
I could only imagine the reaction had a Wii Fanboy like Avisah whatever made this thead to show the wii would sell 360 Million or whatever that goofy number was.
@Kasz216,
because you can comapre PS3 ONLY to playstation consoles. PS3 has mucm more common with psone/ps2 then with wii or x360. Don`t you get THAT?
PS3 will get playstation games series sequels, NOT Wii or x360.
@NJ5, don`t worry, it won`t happen in near future. =)) Just look at PS2 numbers April-June. PS3 definitely will be above those numbers.
All PS3 need is to get some love in Japan. =]
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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.
Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.
1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.
PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far
Although i dont think a ps2 vs ps3 is fair, it's very intersting nonetheless. I would love to see a ps2 vs wii thread though.
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CrazzyMan said: @Kasz216, because you can comapre PS3 ONLY to playstation consoles. PS3 has mucm more common with psone/ps2 then with wii or x360. Don`t you get THAT? PS3 will get playstation games series sequels, NOT Wii or x360. @NJ5, don`t worry, it won`t happen in near future. =)) Just look at PS2 numbers April-June. PS3 definitely will be above those numbers. All PS3 need is to get some love in Japan. =] |
That's the problem. You can't go back in time and compare consoles by using your method.
To go back in time and compare consoles to figure out past trends you need to align markets by the launch in each market.
The Wii, PS3, and 360 aren't being compared to each other in terms of weekly sales as they are in terms of absolute sales.