"is that fair to compare ps2 japan sales which started in march and had 1 mln. consoles available in first 4 weeks with ps3 in november, which had only around 250k?"

I don't know why it would be unfair to compare PS2 Japan to PS3 in Japan since the numbers you gave for both (1 million and 250 thousand), are lower than the first week in Japan. PS2 sold 800,000 units first week in Japan, PS3 sold 80,000 units first week in Japan. It took 5 weeks for the PS3 to get to 250,000 units in Japan, so I doubt there was too much of a supply problem, especially compared to the Wii first few months in Japan. Link.

"is that fair to compare ps2 sales of usa which started in October with ps3 sales which started in november?"

Oct and Nov are only 1 month apart.

"is that fair to compare ps2 sales of europe which started in November with ps3 sales which started in march?"

When you note holiday periods, and make sure each has had enough time to show sales trends (I believe you need 2 years of data anyway, so all these comparisons are still a year not enough). Also, this doesn't help your case, since the PS3 did better than the PS2 did, even though the PS2 had the holiday periods. Link. It's important to note that the PS2 might have had supply issues at this point, but I can't say for sure. Either way, the PS3 still did roughly 2x the number first week.

"is that fair to compare x360/wii sales of europe which started in November with ps3 sales which started in march?"

It's not entirely fair, for the simple fact that the PS3 beats the Wii and 360 even though it's not the holiday for the PS3, it beat them in first week sales. Do you have a problem with the PS3 beating the Wii and 360? We can ignore this data if you wish. Link. =)

"is it fair to compare ps3 sales in others(which did only 30k in first 16 week), with x360/wii sales in others of their first 16 weeks?"

No it's not, simply because the PS3 was launched in Hong Kong at the same time it was launched in Japan. That's why I used Europe only for the aboves.

"is that fair to compare sales of console which cost on launch 600$ with consoles which cost 250$ and 400$?"

Maybe not entirely. But well you are comparing a $400 console to a $300 one. Also, the PS2 beat the GameCube which was $100 cheaper. You can't use price as a determining factor, simply because if the PS3 cost $300 at launch it wouldn't be the PS3 we know, and if the Wii launched at $400+ it wouldn't be the Wii we know. So you can't say "the PS3 would sell amazing at $300." yeah it might, but we won't know because the PS3 was priced at $500 and $600 at launch, and that's the way it is. If anything, comparing the cheapest version of the PS3 at $500 at launch you can compare it to the 360 at $400, since that's the difference in price between the PS2 and GameCube. And since you believe the Wii is CHEAP, and who wouldn't buy it, then twice that price really can't be all that bad?

You got the point. =) BUT i just LOOK(compare) at sales. If ps3 will sell less then 16 mln. it`s not a bad thing. BUT it`s JUST interesting to see how PS3 will do compared to PS2 sales. =) longer.. and having bigger game library. =)
@endimion, next PS3 still DON`T have it`s killer`aps. =) It just have GOOD games, though unchatrted is really great one. And for other people, games like ratchet and heavenly sword also great experience. =) Btw, you can just compare only december ps3/x360 sales, ps3 still did more. =) And ps3 is outselling x360 every week since 2008, even earlier. =)ps2 had over 30 game series, which will get their sequels on ps3, and most of them exclusively. =) just look at GT5 or FFXIII ingam graphics. I am not fan of racing games, but i am fan of jrpg games. Is there any other reason, why anyone wouldn`t like to play this games? =) 2010-2011. :) *THE MAIN POINT of THIS THREAD - is to SEE how far/close will PS3 be in 2008 compared to PS2 with it`s 16 mln. consoles sold in 2001. good quality hardware, good quality software make a BRAND. =) Hardware quality for now workign on PS3 brand, later this year games quality will work. =]

@Road, oh, that`s why PS2 got 40k increase during this week. =) PS3 got Burnout 5 release this week, though game is multi, but still. =] But yeah, i expect to see ps3 favour over ps2 getting down this week, but will get up next week thnx to dmc4 bundle in Japan. +If rumor of ps3 pricecut in usa will become true.. then sales will just skyrocket, if not, we will se how ps3 will do. :)

@endimion, i would suggest you to make conclusions after 2008. =) Just half year ago PS3 was doomed, now arcticles speak about ps3 comeback. And by the end of 2008 they will just recomend buy only ps3. =))
If you want to compare M$ and Sony companies, create a thread, and i will give you facts why Sony is a BIGGER company, then M$. =)

@Stever89,

you must be kidding, right? =)durign that month they could produce more consoles and sell more, because of high demand on Christmas time. =)

So.. statement "PS3 is doing in Europe better then Wii or PS2" - That sounds fair, right? =))Why? because It's not entirely fair?
So if you can ignore this data, why you can`t ignore other not entirely fair data?So, WHY you used THAT data in your first post in this thread? =)So, you can`t say: yes, it`s fair! =) ? That was the point. YES, i CAN. Till price didn`t reach mass market level, it`s determinating factor for MANY people.

OMG,

i cant believe you are still arguing with crazzyman, it's futile !

And i can't believe there are people defending him, It's tards defending tard, who's the bigger one ?

And why do all nexgen owners live in yesterday, bathing in the old glory ?

 

 

 

Interesting read. Since PS3 sold about 8-9m in its first year, I don't see it doubling its sales output to 16m+ in its 2nd year. I would think there would be a more marginal increase to about 10-12m.

Guess we'll see as the year ends. The obvious reasons I could be far off are:

1. completely underestimating the demand for the games you listed. However, taking how halo3 only gave the 360 a relatively short lived boost, I don't see any of those games doing much more than that.

2. sony's ability to put the price to near $200 levels this year. In the first year we essentially saw a $100 price cut. If they can do say a $150 price cut, and the 40g continues to be received much higher than the 20g did, then the ps3's sales could very well be higher than I am imagining. Still think that even with this we won't see more than 14m sold this year.

CrazzyMan said: @Stever89, so I doubt there was too much of a supply problem you must be kidding, right? =) Oct and Nov are only 1 month apart. durign that month they could produce more consoles and sell more, because of high demand on Christmas time. =) So.. statement "PS3 is doing in Europe better then Wii or PS2" - That sounds fair, right? =)) We can ignore this data if you wish. Why? because It's not entirely fair? So if you can ignore this data, why you can`t ignore other not entirely fair data? No it's not, So, WHY you used THAT data in your first post in this thread? =) Maybe not entirely. So, you can`t say: yes, it`s fair! =) ? That was the point. You can't use price as a determining factor YES, i CAN. Till price didn`t reach mass market level, it`s determinating factor for MANY people.

No I wasn't kidding. There were 250,000 PS3 in Japan at launch, and it took 5 weeks for the PS3 to sell 250,000 in Japan, so I doubt there was a supply problem, unless they were only making 10 units a week. Even Nintendo was making roughly 250,000 a week and they were making for 3 regions. I can hardly believe Sony wasn't making as many as 50,000 a week for just Japan, meaning by the time those 5 weeks were up that it took to sell the original 250,000 units, they already had another 250,000, if not way more. At 10 weeks it had sold 500,000+ units, so I can hardly believe there was THAT much of a supply problem, considering Nintendo was making only 1.2 million units a month for 3 regions, and Sony was probably making at least 3/4 that (800,000) for two regions. If they were making any less than that... well damn.

In one month I'd assume they could probably make a million PS3s, and it's not like there has been supply problems in Japan, even during Christmas, especially since the PS2 was the more supply constrained console, and it had an extra month anyway. So I don't see the point?

The part about PS3 doing better in Europe than the 360 and Wii was a joke, because it was you who thought the comparison wasn't fair, and so since anything that seems to favor the PS3 has to be "wrong," I thought we would just "ignore" the data. You're completely taking my words out of context.

The same goes for the "Maybe not entirely," that data only really helps the PS3, and when you correct for holiday periods and such, you can make accurate sales trends using aligned launches. Also, I used "Total Others" data and I even said you had to kind of move the line back to show the "true" launch of the PS3 in the Others region. Also, above I did use Europe to make the point a lot clearer. That's why I said "no it's not, that's why I used Europe [in the lasted posts]." Also, stop taking my words out of context.

I can agree with you on the price point, it's just that Sony launched the PS3 at too high of a price point. That was their mistake, thinking the PS3 would sell on brand alone and without games. I'm sure that's the last we'll see of high priced consoles. The mere fact that it cost more shouldn't give it a handicap in a way, because that's it's price. That's the way it is. Yes, when it reaches mass market levels, it'll have that appeal, but I fear by then the Wii and 360 will have taken much of that market away, except for those who get every console once the price is cheap enough, which is obviously not very many, as only 20+ million people bought the GameCube and Xbox. 

afree_account said: OMG, i cant believe you are still arguing with crazzyman, it's futile ! And i can't believe there are people defending him, It's tards defending tard, who's the bigger one ? And why do all nexgen owners live in yesterday, bathing in the old glory ?

I really don't know why I continue. =)

Post count perhaps? =)

Actually I just like seeing the smilies after every line. =) 

@superchunk, if PS3 will be able to double sales of it`s first year, then it will be succesful as much as PS2. =)

1) i really doubt, that people who will buy gta4, mgs4, dmc4, ffxiii, gt5, lbp, tekken6, resistance2, kz2, haze, wks and etc are SAME people. Usually BIG impact on sales make MANY games together, NOT just one. =)

2) for now with price of 400$ and 500$ PS3 in 2008 is doing on pair with 300$ costing PS2 in 2001. I am sure, with 300$ costing PS3 sony will do even better. And don`t forget, PS2 had 300$ for whole year. =]

@Stever89,
you see.. http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS3&reg1=America&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=PS3&reg3=Total+Other&start=39026&end=39082 if there wouldn`t be DEMAND, sales wouldn`t go down by the end of november. In realuty, Sony shipped only 400k PS3 in november, and MOST of them to USA. PS3 was sold out till middle of January, if not longer.

Just look at the graph, NOW you can believe. =)))))

There WAS supply problems in Japan.

NO, i just asked YOU "is that Fair?". =) But you compared sales in others, instead of Europe. Numbers were taken from Others, not from Europe in your first post. Why you at all used them? For what point?They stil sold around 4 mln. PS3 at 600$ price. =) Do you imagine wii or x360 for 600$ making 4 mln. in first 8 month? =) ps3 399$/499$ selling on pair with ps2, which was for 299$ for whole year, and without competitors. You should fear 299$ ps3 price, really. =))
+ Wii takes some casual sales, but many hardcore gamers will go for ps3, even if they bought wii.
ps2/gc/xbox were offering similar gaming experience, ps3/x360/wii offer different gaming experience. Though x360 and ps3 are close, but PS3 will just outperform x360 in overall.

CrazzyMan said: @Stever89, you see..http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS3&reg1=America&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=PS3&reg3=Total+Other&start=39026&end=39082 if there wouldn`t be DEMAND, sales wouldn`t go down by the end of november. In realuty, Sony shipped only 400k PS3 in november, and MOST of them to USA. PS3 was sold out till middle of January, if not longer. I can hardly believe Sony wasn't making as many as 50,000 a week for just Japan, Just look at the graph, NOW you can believe. =))))) There WAS supply problems in Japan. it was you who thought the comparison wasn't fair, NO, i just asked YOU "is that Fair?". =) That's why I said "no it's not, that's why I used Europe [in the lasted posts]. But you compared sales in others, instead of Europe. Numbers were taken from Others, not from Europe in your first post. Why you at all used them? For what point? it's just that Sony launched the PS3 at too high of a price point. They stil sold around 4 mln. PS3 at 600$ price. =) Do you imagine wii or x360 for 600$ making 4 mln. in first 8 month? =) it'll have that appeal, but I fear by then the Wii and 360 will have taken much of that market away, ps3 399$ selling on pair with ps2, which was for 299$ for whole year, and without competitors. You should fear 299$ ps3 price, really. =)) + Wii takes some casual sales, but many hardcore gamers will go for ps3, even if they bought wii. ps2/gc/xbox were offering similar gaming experience, ps3/x360/wii offer different gaming experience. Though x360 and ps3 are close, but PS3 will just outperform x360 in overall.

 Japan has a slower start to the holiday period than the US does. The Wii also experienced a drop after first week, though it did launch with more units, but it didn't really recover at all the next week. So I still don't really believe. Also, I think a lot of sales were eBayers thinking the PS3 would be out of stock for a while with it's limited launch stock. I suppose they should have betted on the Wii. =) Link

You originally asked if it was fair. I was merely showing how it could, should, and is a fair comparison. Since it showed that the PS3 was doing better than the 360 and Wii, that's why I asked if we should ignore it, because we wouldn't want the PS3 shed in good light, would we? =)

Which exactly is my "first post"? The one back on the first page? Yes, I did use "Total Others" to show how each console had done up to that point in "Total Others," to the point to show how each of them have done so far. I even said "NOTE: Since the Hong Kong release of the PS3 is included in "OThers" data, but it was release with Japan, that's why the PS3 only sells 13,000 the first 18 weeks. If you move the PS3 line to start at the release it in Europe, it's always above the sales of the GC." We I started doing my complete comparison, I switched to Europe only, as a way to eliminate those 18 weeks of Hong Kong only sales.

Though I don't see the Wii or 360 doing 4 millio, they aren't made to cost that much. If the Wii cost $500/600, who knows how it'd sell, because it would be capable of far more than it is now. Same with the 360. Same with saying, how the PS3 would have sold at $300 at launch. Also, up to the point of the price cut (roughly 7/12/07), the PS3 had sold roughly 3.8 million, and had been out for about 8 months. That's roughly 110,000 units a week, which is roughly the same as the GameCube average weekly first year sales. After the price cut, sales doubled in both NA and Japan(I believe Japans price cut was a few weeks after NA), but in actual units, it only increased 50,000 units. It did sustain higher sales in America for 8 weeks, but the Japan sales fell back to normal sales after 3 or 4 weeks.

The bolded part is the weirdest. The PS3 hasn't been selling on par with the PS2, unless you mean the first two weeks of the year? And if the PS3 falls much farther this week, it won't hit PS2 numbers, and then next week the PS2 actually saw a boost, which I don't think the PS3 will see. The PS2 did have a compeditor, the Dreamcast, though I'm not sure if that counts. I do agree with you that the PS3 will outperform the 360.

+drops show demand, ps3 also had BIG demand, but shipments were SO low, that it wasn`t noticeble that much in later weeks.
+IF you DON`T believe in PS3 success - LEAVE this thread. =)))
is it fair to compare(SHOW) ps3 sales in others(which did only 30k in first 16 week), with x360/wii/ps2/gc sales in others of their first 16 weeks? I think, showing is ok, comparing - not.
Hey, i am just showing how ps2 and ps3 are doing up to that point(2nd year life sales). =)) NOTE: i also mentioned differences. =] I hope, now you finally got the point of the thread and why it`s fair.

x360 cost around 735$ to produce on the launch. x360 launch cost M$ over 1 bln. $.
PS3 will get 299$ this year, definetely.

Yeah, first 3 weeks of January. How do you know, that 299$ costing PS3 in usa since January 28th is Fake? =)) Do you know when will be next PS3 pricecut? 100% not in spring? Are you SO sure? =)) Also can you say how much will sell DMC4 on ps3 and x360 in every region in first weeks? =)