C'mon mantle, you should at least be cooperating with me.
You know what zero, this is getting boring, if you are eager to lynch me do so, but then don't your face when.
Everything will be a contradiction to you, because you want to see them. Also regarding postcount, great, you made 3 big posts repeating yourself, I made 3 big posts repeating myself, and 2 smaller once adding to big once, that is the activity you caused, feel great, oh great master of fail.
@2 since you are so lazy:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4748235
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4748259
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4748265
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4748280
Also, there are the two posts you already quoted, and some smaller posts from me, that are not of direct relevance
prehistoria, why I voted for spurge after he randomly dropped Noctis towards pez, after pez did not FoS/HoS Noc for inactivity
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4745029
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4745296
both of this posts got ignored (from spurge), and the first response from spurge came when I voted him. I can understand why he might ignore the first one. But the second one was pretty clear.
Well for me this talk is over nao... have fun spamposting the same stuff over and over again (btw. pezus does in one post a better job than you in your whole spamblocks)
@underline/italic in your last post: no valid answer to for a clear yes/no question from you, still. I don't get why you are so evasive regarding this one question. (you may still answer this, but I don't expect much, other than linking something from your past ignorance towards the question)
As for my comfort zone, my comfort zone is when I am pissed at someone, because it gets me a clear view on the persons/makes me reevaluate stuff. (like me realizing mario/pezus unlikely on the same team).
| Stefl1504 said:
@underline/italic in your last post: There was still no clear yes/no answer from you regarding the question I asked. |
Better formulation of the part in my last post.
You guys are seeing the 1 for 1 thing all wrong. Such a scenario only holds IF it was going to be a dead certainty for someone in the Rarity group to be lynched due to hatmoza's death. Clearly that isn't the case.
Furthermore, from outside the Rarity group, if one believes mafia wouldn't want to make such a trade, then it follows that both pezus and Stefl could be town and thus it may not be wise to lynch either. And again from the outside with such a belief, if one of them is voting for the other, then it should follow that the one is probably town.
From either individuals viewpoint; however, if one is town and believes mafia wouldn't want to make such a trade, then it follows that the other would not be pushing for his lynch. Because for the townie, if they are lynched then once they're lynched the other is almost certainly going to be lynched next.
So zero, what you must be saying is Stefl, as mafia, is actually completely willing to do a 1 for 1. It's circular logic, but saying he can't be town for voting pezus while saying such a thing is a complete break of logic otherwise.
| zero129 said: Also to add to my last post. Stefl i wasnt going to vote for anyone in your group at first, even after making my list of suspicions i wasnt going to keep my vote on you. I was doing it to push you, to see how you would act. But after your replys i feel pretty good with my vote now. So why would it come back to hit me in the face?, im sure that must be what you meant by the first part of your post?. |
Yep pretty much... your face when is more like, the stupid face someone makes when someone realises his stupidity.
So can you say:
I do not know if there is scum in your group.
Calling it spamblock is in no way defensive, it is just displaying the face, that I see no gain, in two people making the same postblocks over and over again, without adding anything.
Also, I do not think that the linked posts do not add anything to the arguments, but fine.
| zero129 said: Them posts would of done nothing to change the fact of what you said when you placed the vote, That it was based on "baseless accusitions" . That was your words not mine, i didnt need to use any other posts to show that as my point was you saying it was based on "baseless accusitions" |
I called it: "pretty baseless accusitions" and I wanted "less randomness from spurge", pretty baseless, as in nothing much more than a feeling -
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zero129 said: 2. He goes on to cast another vote this time on Spurge, and once again its based on "baseless accusitions" that was his words, as you can see here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4746568 . He then goes on to try getting a lynch group on spurge when he says "can people get a bit votey on spurge, because I alone can't really put any pressure at all on him." as can be seen here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4748111 . So he only voted for Spurge based on "Baseless accusitions" and he wants other people to do the same, I dont know but that seems real scummy to me. |
Yes I said that, but I do not see the problem you have there, I did have nothing that is suspicious on him, but I wanted to reduce his randomness, this gets stated several times by me. You are leaving out the "reducing his randomness" part completely, as if it was not there from the very beginning. That is why I said you are leaving stuff out. Since spurge did not react to it, till I made my second post. Also, there are several more posts. So it was not solely on "baseless accusitions".
zero129 said:
To the bold yes i believe he is and him saying he doesnt believe the mafia would do a 1 for 1 trade i think is a telling sign. Like you said, if he was town and he didnt think the mafia would do a 1 for 1 trade. He wouldnt of been so willing to vote inside his own group, as by him voting shows that he does think that the mafia would be willing to do a 1 for 1 trade. So the question is, why would he say he doesnt think they would be willing to do a 1 for 1 trade, and yet he votes for pezus when that goes against what he is saying? as for him to believe pezus is mafia means they must be willing to do a 1 for 1 trade. (Do you get what i mean?, cos sometimes i dont explain things too good lulz |
That is not what I am saying. Killing hatmoza and leaving two Rarity's did not mean today would be a forced decision between the two. IF it was a forced decision, then yes that is the only way a townie within the group would be wrong to vote the other while believing mafia wouldn't want a one for one trade.
Okay, you are trully missing the concept of pressure votes.
| zero129 said:
I dont know, maybe its cos its 6:20am here and i still have not yet been to sleep, but i just dont understand?, why would the need to be a forced vote for it to be the case?. what i mean is, how can he believe the mafia wouldnt do a 1 for 1 and yet vote in his own group at the same time?, isnt that saying he believes the mafia would do a 1 for 1?. |
A 1 for 1 typically refers to a situation like someone claiming cop with a guilty scan on another player. The cop claim may not be very trustworthy, but Town figures he's either offering scum with the guilty scan, or should it be a mislynch then we trade one townie for the lying scum. Almost always, those types of situations are resolved the Day of the claim.
Here, we have a situation that can only be considered a possibility for a 1 for 1 trade if we are forced to lynch one of the two toDay.(And of course for it to be the 1for1 town would have to be mislynched first) We could all decide that they're both town or to put it off such that night actions can help discover the truth, and then there's not even the possibility for the trade at all.
A town Stefl knows if he is lynched, pezus is likely lynched next. He also sees pezus not pushing for Stefl's lynch. He thinks mafia would not want to trade 1 for 1. Thus it is logical to think pezus is scum and vote him.
A town pezus knows if he is lynched, Stefl is likely lynched next. He also sees Stefl is pushing for pezus's lynch. He thinks mafia would not want to trade 1 for 1. Thus it is logical to think Stefl is town. He has been doing so, but he, like you, is pointing at a supposed contradiction by Stefl that does not exist.
To expand on that flow of logic some more:
A mafia Stefl knows if he is lynched first, then pezus will likely not be mislynched ever. He also knows that if pezus is mislynched, then he himself will likely follow. Thus if he believes a lynch will come down to one of the two of them, he should be pushing for a 1 for 1 trade despite saying mafia wouldn't want one.
Similar for a scum pezus, but he is trying to make today's lynch not be a choice within their group. So a scum pezus would truly not want a 1 for 1 trade.
So you can call Stefl mafia and say he's actually fine with a 1 for 1 trade, but given the circumstances there's no actual evidence.
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