Well, I suppose I should ask if there even is a connection between j0, Stefl, and Mr. Tres first. I assumed there was, otherwise I don't see how you can make the leaps in logic that you did. If there is, then is it possible to explain said connection(s) or would you have to reveal Mr. Tres to do so?

My concern was mantle's whole behavior towards hatmoza's attack on Mario was fake. There can be good reason to wait with information, because you can see what people make of the day without it and how everyone reacts to it after. But once the day starts dragging, it's go time.

Speaking of the day dragging. You ought to pick a direction you think the day should go in before voting for a time limit. That would do more to help make something actually happen.

I think someone did. Anyway I had a pretty good town read on yoshi from early in Day 1. Like my feelings on Soleron pre-modkill, that has dwindled a bit because he hasn't really scumhunted, especially toDay. But I think Soleron's flip reinforced my convictions. I shouldn't expect a newb to be an expert at pushing someone or to bring up things that aren't in the limelight. The lack of doing so is a null-tell, not a scum-tell, thus I fall back on my earilier impression.

Oh, and best analysis yet I think. Very easy to follow and see what your points are.

Sorry, you're right about this ><

I'd agree with you on a Mantle lynch thus far. It just seems really weird that he has this information that he seems to be so certain about and yet doesn't want to tell us... If he is planning on telling us anyway I don't see how telling us earlier in the Day will have anything to do with whether or not he gets killed at night because if the information is that good (maybe it relies on him being a certain role, of which I can't be sure as I can only be sure that one role belongs to one group and it isn't the Pinkie Pie group), then he will be killed anyway. The only thing I can think that explains this is that he doesn't have anything yet. Simple as that. I believe he is currently trying to come up with something that seems like it will stick at the moment, potentially with whatever mafia buddies he has as I believe they are probably conversing now.

If Mantle fails to give a good reason as to why he is withholding this information I will cast my vote then and there.

HoS: Mantle

I do not see the contradiction in the two things you quoted in your other post, for one thing I say you go along with the possibility of a double mislynch (thus not pushing for me), and the other thing I say that scum would not accept a 1 vs 1 trade, which fits together, and doesn't contratict itself. The stuff I am asking is (that is in the part that got cut off), that by zeros logic, for you to be town, you should push for my lynch, without a doubt. I actually wanted to know how he thinks town should react in this case, since overthinking stuff surely is not the way.

Oh, so then why is he not clearly saying so, but instead throwing out stuff about a vote counts at some point. (which I had to assume were when I voted, because I (and he earlier in his post) was talking about the timing of my vote.) Oh, and I got that he ALSO said he is putting his focus on me because you had more suspicion on you than I at the point he started it. But he was clearly stating that something had to happen to change my mind, which didn't and that is what I am talking about.

@_@

but that would mean you are scum?

okay... umm... well T.T

I actually either think it would be two townies getting to get lynched or one scum, so there is no possibility of getting a 1vs1 for me. That is actually why I wanted to sway discussion away from us, and (at least) discuss other groups. But some people always get successfully back onto the two of us, I admit there is also the mantle-thingy, but with how he acts, it is just... tedious... and some people are getting completely ignored by everyone (prof) who dropped back in for a small amount of posts and vanished into thin air again.

Also I believe I said that a reason for me voting you is a lack of alternative from my position.

Yes, I mean one town vs one scum with one vs one and I simply refuse to believe that I am the first one to get lynched.

Well, mario in my eyes isn't that bad of a guess as scum, and for prof there should be the look of comparison to the WipEout Game, where prof was scum and afair did not really scumhunt either and other than his day 1 blunder with the dear mod (who btw still sucks as mod :P) in that round wasn't in the spotlight either.

Not yet, Yoshiya. You can vote if you want.