Other then showing up every now and again to post a few things no you have not been very active imo (Thats really what i mean by being vocal, sorry i didnt say it as such)

Anyway on to my list of reasons of why i suspect you.

1. The game started on the 25th of last month, stefl decided to wait until the 26th to post in the thread, and the first thing he does is vote for Mantle with pretty much no reason other then "He is always scum" you can see his first post here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4744128

When his reasoning was turned back on him, he gets what i think is a bit defencive and answeres a question with a question you can see the post here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4744334

Later on he replys to pezus again heres the post http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4744644 and says "Well, that might be true (I have a pretty high scum/town ratio) but I think we shouldn't let ourself be influenced by past games, unless we really deem it necesary. I actually wanted to see how mantle reacts, because I was curious~ but seeing that you find it more important to get in my way why we don't start a little chit-chat, since you are never scum, how high are the possibilies of you being 3rd Party again?"

So he votes for Mantle cos mantle is always scum, but we shouldnt let our selfs be influenced by past games??. I know he comes up with some form of logic for this where its ok if its deemd necesary. but what part about his vote was necesary?, what did mantle do up to that point that made looking into past games necesary?. Imo this was him just using some bad logic to explain why he cast a vote on mantle.

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Also to the last bolded part, right away he pretty much asks pezus what role he is. I know he puts it as" Are you 3rd party again?" but i think its easy to see right though  that question.

2. He goes on to cast another vote this time on Spurge, and once again its based on "baseless accusitions" that was his words, as you can see here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4746568 .

He then goes on to try getting a lynch group on spurge when he says "can people get a bit votey on spurge, because I alone can't really put any pressure at all on him." as can be seen here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4748111 .

So he only voted for Spurge based on "Baseless accusitions" and he wants other people to do the same, I dont know but that seems real scummy to me.

3. Much later he goes on to unvote spurge and then cast his vote on noctis http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4749766 . But that wasnt really what was strange to me about his post, it was the fact that even so early on he HoS'd Pezus based on the assumption that the mafia could switch claim or fake claim. Did he know something back then that we didnt?.

Once day 2 started he says "I totally agree on a pezus lynch... well not totally, I am insecure about it, just because Mafia cut into our group..." http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4755477.

Only to then go right on and vote for him in his next post http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4755486 .

Once he seen suspicion was being put on him by yoshi, he came back out from lurking in the shadows and says "I have a hunch that this could be a neat set up for a double mislynch, but at least the general information gathered should be worth the risk taken."http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4755970

So now it could be a neat setup for a double lynch yet he is willing to vote pezus anyways.. To the underlined i Really dont see how the info could be usefull to anyone except the mafia.

Also here again in his next post making sure everyone knows he is town "To further specify, if one of us flips town the other will have a harsh life getting himself out of shit. Well, I know that it will be hard for pez, because I will flip town. The problem here I see is if he flips town, the rest of town will be head over heels into my lynch. It could be a fukken trap being set out by scum... that is why I am so worried about it... I was actually expecting a kill into the big groups... well, I will not waver..." http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4755997

Imo at first he was worried in his first post, cos once pezus flipped and if he showed town that would only leave him.

But then he seen how some other people said they where fine with a pezus lynch, and he figured if pezus gets lynched anyway they would look to him next. So he voted for pezus in his 2nd post in the hope that maybe people would say "look Stefl cant be mafia, why would he vote for pezus and leave only himself knowing he would be voted for next", but you see thats exactly why he would do it, just so people would think that.

Thats also why in his reply to yoshi he got worried again and made sure to bring back up the double mis lynch theory and in his 5th post make sure everyone thinks he is town.

So if pezus did flip town he would be like "Why would i of voted for pezus if i was mafia?, you guys said it yourself!. I said it before i think they are going for a double mislynch" he would use that to get you to 2nd guess your vote on him and get everyone thinking "Well he did bring up about the double mislynch, and pezus did flip town so what if he is right?". 

So imo by doing that one simple thing, if it worked he would of managed to keep himself safe for 2 or more days maybe even longer, where as if he didnt do it one way or the other he was gone if pezus flipped town.

Someone already said earlier on (I should of linked to the post but didnt think anything of it at the time, and im not going all the way back to look for it again) That when stefl plays mafia he lurks and only comes out sometimes to post just to seem active. Well anyone that goes back and checks out stefl will see thats exactly what he has been doing this whole time.

Anyway like Linkz said earlier on. I think its ether one of them is mafia or both of them are town. And for now i think the is more chance of stefl being the one who is mafia if the is one in their group.

Vote: Stefl

yoshi i have a question for you. Since you know radish in real life, have you been talking to him about this game?.

~huge quote~

1.  Ok i will give you the first one and we will say you where only joking.

2. That is the whole story. You might of made one or 2 other posts but they have nothing got to do with my point.

Also putting presure on someone is not casting a vote and giving no reason for doing so and then pretty much leaving it dead in the water without doing anything else with it.

3. I dont get what your trying to say here?. You said at first "I totally agree on a pezus lynch... well not totally, I am insecure about it, just because Mafia cut into our group..." You didnt Vote for him at first cos you where insecure about why the mafia cut into your group. But yet it didnt take you long to change your mind and vote for him anyways. how is this not valid??.

Yes at least you say your are town, but then if you where scum your not going to say it anyway right?. Also why would a 1 for 1 trade be out of the question at this stage?, or would you just like us to think it is?.

And also your now trying to push this back on pezus?, is that so you can sneak away for awhile again and only come back when you see that blue box?.

But anyway with pezus he has pretty much been the same in this whole game and hasnt been giving out baseless votes from what i could see at any stage of the game. So for me its just you have been more mafia like then pezus.

Also this isnt about pezus its about you

@2, no there are several more posts, from me, and even some from spurge... don't leave them out if you want to make a point.

@3 No, you said that the situation between my 2 posts changed, but this is not the case, now you are saying it is because I just changed my mind. There was no additional information regarding pezus between the posts, but you claim that I suddently felt secure because other people also felt suspicious about him.

I am curious why you don't want to judge pezus if he basically has the same fear as I have. You are treating two people different here, that is why I am coming back with a question at you, indeed, he did not vote for me, but he agreed with the same speculations. Can you agree that you are treating us differently on this?

So yes, I am more mafia than pezus in your eyes, nice, but why are you pushing so strong for the idea that there have to be scum in each pool? Now something completely else: Could it be that you know that there is no scum in our pool?

And please, just answer the two questions. You can add to that whatever you want after you answered them.

Well you certainly weren't present when Mario made his mistake, but that didn't stop you.

Nor is that accurate for hatmoza. His mistake  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4744388 and your next post  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4744397

Note the post id numbers.

Now I'd bet you were reading through the thread and quoting things as you went along, while answering blue notifications due to radish and I. So maybe you mean you never got to reading that post until I had corrected his mistake?

Crap that's not going to work either. You mentioned your town feelings towards hat http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4744525 due to his attack on mario http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4744529 and THEN I pointed out the issue with it http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4744545