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zero129 said:
I wake up come here and see that the mafia thread has come alive again . Anyway 108 replays O_O, its going to take me a bit to have a look at all that.
Hmm so Hatz was killed, bit strange they went for someone in a smaller group why would they do that first?.
Anyway i will give more of a reply once i fully wake up and have a look at the rest of this thread.

Perhaps you could answer why it's strange they killed someone in a smaller group, before catching up?



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c03n3nj0 said:

Finally for for fucking mantle. Fuck you! (Naw, i'm kidding, I'm just not in the best of moods - trying to multitask and it's getting crazy, more things than college admissions). 

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Here's the thing, I have noted your posts. A good number of your posts indeed say that you are suspicious of me, but then that's where they stop. You did not try to push further, or rather try to lay evidence our there. You opted out to repeating it multiple times when you came in. 

Now, i'm going to assume that your "suspicion" on me started with these posts, http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4746820, because that is our earliest interactions. (It's kinda ironic now that you try to focus on me being redundant, and then proceeded to say the same thing without chaning it much for a day, hehe)

I say I assume because you decided not to mention your reasoning in your posts, like I said, you just repeated that you were suspicious without any attmepts to push for the lynch, or convince people that I was suspicious. It isn't MY job to get you to lay out your suspicions. It is yours. And you did not do your job as a townie. 

And based on that background info, this is why I think you just showed yourself as mafia:

When day 2 comes along, you don't base your vote on the previous suspicions you had, but rather, on the fact that I did not confront you. This is because you yourself have realized that all those "suspicion" posts were just filler, and not actually a strong basis for suspicion. 

In this post during day 1 right here, you just say that you feel better about it because hatmoza expressed suspicion too: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4749258

Why not lay them out? Instead, you are using hat's credibility to lay weight to your claims. It's a subtle way of not actually scum-hunting, and yet pretending like you are making a suspect list and thinking things out. 

Your posts involving your suspicions on me were also during the time frame of the meta-gaming fiasco, (as shown by the "pinkie pie" in the above post). During that time frame you laid low, and did not attempt to gather suspicion on yourself. Instead you joined the voices of the useless pointing out suspects without much basis ( I have already shown my stance on that:  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4751561). 

You did not try to elaborate your suspicions then either, because I was in a group of linkz and yoshi, and you thought It wasn't necessary. You joined the flow of the ordeal very nicely, mantle. You hardly scum-hunted. 

This post rounds you up nicely:  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4751802. You sustain your psuedo suspicion while going with the flow of the general town. You say you are suspicious of me, and then decided that Noctis is a viable lynch. 

Here's why you slipped up: 

Your day 2 vote on me is bullshit and you know it. You want to twist the idea away from the suspicions you had on day 1 into the one where I'm scum because I didn't confront you. 

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Also, i just read your latest post listing the links. That proves my argument. You are just focusing on a reasoning based on circumstance, because there is nothing much else. 

Also, this link you showed about me ignoring you and going for noctis: 
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4751088

In that post you just made, you ignored the fact that I mentioned that there WAS suspicion on me. You also ignored the fact that I was discussing my relationship with links and yoshi while doing so. Again, it leads me to believe you are basing your "suspicion" on circumstancial evidence, hoping that there's dirt on me that you don't have to point out. That dirt being the process of elimination between me, yoshi and links.

As for me not pushing hatmoza: I asked him why he was suspicious, and he stated he'd rather not say. It is not my job to get him to lay out his suspicions. You trying to use that is so freaking iffy. He's dead now, though. So the point is moot now.  


So many things wrong with this post. You can't be town honestly if you actually ASSUMED my stance. You are scum conj.

You ASSUMED (lol) that I didn't want to give reasons for my suspicion?

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When day 2 comes along, you don't base your vote on the previous suspicions you had, but rather, on the fact that I did not confront you. This is because you yourself have realized that all those "suspicion" posts were just filler, and not actually a strong basis for suspicion.

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Err. How do you know my reasons? How do you think that I gave away all my reasoning for voting you in Linkz's post? The fact that you FoS'd me twice itself is what started my investigation on you.

 

THE FACT is conj, YOU aren't town. BECAUSE YOU ARE SOFT. Get it?

What town member assumes my reasoning? What town doesn't get suspicious of others when someone else is supsicious of them? Unless they are proven innocent, in this case you already know I am town. And hence why you were so lax in your investigation.

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In that post you just made, you ignored the fact that I mentioned that there WAS suspicion on me. You also ignored the fact that I was discussing my relationship with links and yoshi while doing so. Again, it leads me to believe you are basing your "suspicion" on circumstancial evidence, hoping that there's dirt on me that you don't have to point out. That dirt being the process of elimination between me, yoshi and links.

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The acknowledgement of suspicion residing on you is not equal to acknowledging hat and my suspicion, especially when we were the only ones who were very vocal about it. I said it twice, at least, and your ignorance of it is proof of you being scum conj.

Your ignorance of both your own suspicion on me (you were suspicious of me after the radish incident, which you seemed to conviniently forget, and apparently it didn't struck your mind that I could be mafia till I voted you, hilarious) is proof to me, you were the best lynch we could have on day 1, and are even now.



spurgeonryan said:
So...Your big reveal was that cojo did not say anything to you at one point in a game? Maybe he thought it was a waste of time Mantle? There are many times when people including myself asked where the hell are you with your re-read mantle and you just did not show up. Should each person that gets a question on them or even a suspicion on them reply to that suspicion? I guess no one always replies to me because they think it is a waste of post, but for you it is a crime?

I do not really mind anything you have said, but did it warrant an insta vote from you? You seemed to be totally sure right away.
There is either something that you are not saying or you are Mafia covering your tracks. Also there was plenty of game left before there was even talk of shutting the game down. I made two huge reads and you still did nothing. DO NOT LIE MANTLE! I would not have made those reads if I thought the game was going to be over.

Do you realize how many days he didn't say anything?

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Maybe he thought it was a waste of time

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haha, oh my.

Sorry. That was pretty bs.



pezus said:
Thanks for the long post, j0. It gives me a much better vibe from you for sure. I guess if mantle is mafia, he sees you as an easy mislynch in the future and puts me at the low end of his suspicions so he does not look as scummy in the future...


Wouldn't I rather exclude you from the scum list to evade suspicion?



Linkzmax said:
mantlepiecek said:
c03n3nj0 said:
Vote - mantlepiecek

Everybody, I think mantle slipped up. And I will shortly explain why.

lol.

I am/will be waiting.

You sound cocky, is that the case?

@j0: I don't have an issue with it. My only concern was mantle was only flavor metaing, which I'm not interested in. Stance may change depending on mantle's answer to the above.

Maybe yes.

I was sure he is making things up, and I knew he would bring up some reply from hat that didn't occur in the time frame our conversation took place.

Also I am not flavor metaing. I am doing the opposite of it.



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pezus said:
mantlepiecek said:

Vote : c03n3nj0

 

Just lynch him, he is sure scum.

 

It is interesting that out of all people hatmoza got killed. lol.

I am thinking conj, radish, zero and pezus are scum based on flavour meta and observation.

Forgot to comment on this. Why is it particularly interesting that hamoza got killed?

Not to mention that I think your list of mafia is very weak. Radish and Zero both give me towny vibes, and I know I am town. The only one that is kind of 50/50 there for me is j0. 

Because hat kept saying that scum would be going wild in their quicktopic because of him.

So kind of interesting that he got killed.



Linkzmax said:
pezus said:
Linkzmax said:
pezus said:
Linkzmax said:
I'm okay with a pezus lynch.

Mario, how would mafia know what Moreno actually was?

interesting linkz...I thought you were good at pinging people.

To everyone else: Do you really think that if I was mafia I would make such a huge mistake by killing hatmoza when I was suspected the most/nearly the most yesterDay? Mario, you amuse me.

Good at pinging people?

Also, I'm simply okay with your lynch if it goes down to a flavor meta driven lynch, thus I'm not pushing it yet.

"Ping radish as town" "ping" "ping" I see you using that word a lot.

I'm fairly sure the only one I "ping" is radish, and it's a reference to the scum "radar" or scumdar. He's the only one that I can almost always nail as town or scum off of a few posts. He's played quite differently this round, more down the middle. I leaned town by the end of Day 1, and when I re-read the first page "slip" of his with knowledge of the Elements, he wasn't contradictory at all with his question(even as a joke) towards Noctis and his stance that nameclaiming could expose power roles.

Am I missing something?



zero129 said:
Linkzmax said:
zero129 said:
I wake up come here and see that the mafia thread has come alive again . Anyway 108 replays O_O, its going to take me a bit to have a look at all that.
Hmm so Hatz was killed, bit strange they went for someone in a smaller group why would they do that first?.
Anyway i will give more of a reply once i fully wake up and have a look at the rest of this thread.

Perhaps you could answer why it's strange they killed someone in a smaller group, before catching up?

Im still re-reading the rest of the thread since i was last on atm (Didnt get very far yet on like the 15th reply out of 108) .

But i was just thinking if the was one member in each group why would they go for the smallest one first?, wouldnt that lower the chances of hiding?.

unless they want us to think they are not in that smaller group?. Maybe there is 2 of them thats scum in that group, and they figure hatz was trusted more then them. So they decide that if they take him out that leaves only the 2 of them, so maybe they thought people wouldnt then suspect the smaller group (I already seen stefl and yoshia mention about this already and its what got me thinking about it). So they figure both of them might be safe for awhile, and if not both of them maybe they figure at least 1 of them will make it till the end, cos maybe they think no way anyone would think all the ones in the group are mafia.

But then maybe thats what they want us to think also and really the is no mafia in the small group at all?. Or maybe its just as simple as they just wanted to kill hatz and didnt care what group he was in.

But i just cant help but feel the was a reason they went after that group. But maybe its nothing :-/

Thank you for your response, I wanted to hear some orignal though and the bolded is something nobody else thought up. 



mantlepiecek said:
Linkzmax said:

I'm fairly sure the only one I "ping" is radish, and it's a reference to the scum "radar" or scumdar. He's the only one that I can almost always nail as town or scum off of a few posts. He's played quite differently this round, more down the middle. I leaned town by the end of Day 1, and when I re-read the first page "slip" of his with knowledge of the Elements, he wasn't contradictory at all with his question(even as a joke) towards Noctis and his stance that nameclaiming could expose power roles.

Am I missing something?

radish asked which Element Noctis was, when the Elements are the mafia here. As in Magic, Laughter, Loyalty, or Generosity rather than Twilight Sparkle, Pinke Pie, Rainbow Dash, or Rarity.



Linkzmax said:
zero129 said:
Linkzmax said:
zero129 said:
I wake up come here and see that the mafia thread has come alive again . Anyway 108 replays O_O, its going to take me a bit to have a look at all that.
Hmm so Hatz was killed, bit strange they went for someone in a smaller group why would they do that first?.
Anyway i will give more of a reply once i fully wake up and have a look at the rest of this thread.

Perhaps you could answer why it's strange they killed someone in a smaller group, before catching up?

unless they want us to think they are not in that smaller group?. Maybe there is 2 of them thats scum in that group, 

Thank you for your response, I wanted to hear some orignal though and the bolded is something nobody else thought up. 

To the same bolded: Stepping away from the meta, do you get a scum feeling off of both of them to support this? It's all well and good saying this when you have the meta but do both pezus and stefl seem scummy without knowing they are in the same group?

Not defending them, it's just I am not sure they do so I want to see if zero has anything that can change my mind.