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But to be honest, that question is kind of useless anyway~



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pezus said:

Almost final list:

 

Rarity: Hatmoza, pezus, stefl 

Rainbow Dash: Linkz, yoshi, j0

Twilight Sparkle: mario, soleron, prof, zero

Pinkie Pie: Radish, spurge, noctis, mantle

Total claimed: 14

Remaining: moreno

 


Quoted for easier reference.

 

 

Well we can start with the Rarity. If you guys believe I am town like you should already, you'll notice that: TA DA! Either Pezus or Stefl is scum. That's actually a great head start if you ask me.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

I'm also ok with J0 as a lynch in the Rainbow Dash group since I'm leaning town on both Linkz and Yoshi.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

hatmoza said:
I'm also ok with J0 as a lynch in the Rainbow Dash group since I'm leaning town on both Linkz and Yoshi.


as for switchclaiming/realclaiming by scum > I already put my list out there:

j0 in the Rainbow Group
pezus in the Rarity Group
mario in the Twilight Group
spurge/noctis/mantle in the Pinkie Group

ignoring moreno now, because he will prolly get modkilled/replaced anyway by the looks of it...

spurge and noctis both are above mantle regarding suspicion from my side, and on the same level to each other. I am unsurest about the Pinkie Pie group anyway, since all of them could be potential scum.



supermario128 said:
OK. This worked out better than expected. Moreno would have to be either Rainbow Dash or Rarity.

1) Talk came up about two mafia "switching" their names around. All I have to say is, "So what?" If a mafia claimed Twilight when they are really Rainbow we would know that when they are lynched. When they are revealed to be Rainbow instead of twilight then is is true that you couldn't clear the rainbow group since another mafia member would still be present there, but that WOULD clear the twilight group since they would have switched with a fellow mafia member. As in, the twilight member claimed rainbow, so the twilight group would be cleared.

2) This becomes more complicated if the mafia all switched around their names, but to orchestrate something like that they would have to be able to talk during the day. Something we are not sure of yet. It would be very risky to lie about their true names if they couldn't talk to each other.

3) Basically, I think everyone has told the truth about their names until we find out otherwise. Also, if that is the case, those that brought up the mafia exploiting this could very well be the mafia themselves trying to get into our heads that they did do something when they really didn't. Like I said, we have to wait and see when the first mafia flips...

1) I said that in far fewer words. Was it not good enough?

2) It isn't any more complicated if three or four scum rotated their claims. It is only complicated if there's overlapping of claims.
Setting it up wouldn't require daytalk either, just partners that are actually observant. Or a helpful pezus posting updates every few claims.

3) Nobody ever said mafia could exploit this. I, and I alone, said mafia could break town's "exploit" in a couple of ways. Breaking the exploit means town can't completely rely on it, not that mafia now has the upperhand. The only way mafia could exploit it is if they knew the full setup, either by FF informing them or by most of them claiming towards the end.



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zero129 said:
EBWOP:

Remove Mario from that list as like yoshi (And some others) i believe i dont have enough on him to keep him in it (But i forgot to remove him before i posted it).
I was also going to remove Linkz as i really dont have much on him atm, But i think he somehow links in with the Mantle, and hatmoza and radish somehow. mostly with his comment about breaking hatz game.

So you think hat, as scum, was a major pusher for an "exploit" that would help town win the game and I, linked as scum with hat, pointed out that scum could break said exploit? Please explain your logic there.



hatmoza said:
@Linkz, I'm still not convinced that scum somehow managed to strategize or lie about name claims. Though I kinda sense you are leaning to an agreement with me on that.The risk an emergence of a number of a certain group of ponies would have stood out as an irregular. For the most part, I'm with the notion that the claims are clean-with the possibility of a lie claim being a late claim if any. As I already stated.

I never said that they have, just that it would have occured if I was mafia. If it is something to be concerned about it will make itself evident as flips occur anyway.

And a larger or smaller group compared to others would be irregular, but my point was that FF could have intended for that in case someone had the crazy, yet obvious idea to do something like this. I'm always preacing how mods shouldn't let mafia be trapped by flavor. Recall game of thrones, where many of the mafia and cartel safelist names were questioned(internally, though in the grand scheme most were just dandy) and several(would have been more if the game was larger) townies had names that could havbe gotten them lynched(or killed at night) if town as a whole focused on flavor too much.



Just realized I never posted this in the afternoon. Oh well.

hatmoza said:
Soleron said:

Pretty sure Mafia will have thought of that and claimed two the same at least once. They won't be confirmed town.

Yeah, I thought of that, and i kinda think that's what Linkz was talking about yesterday. Our only counter to that is relying on good ol' mafia playing... and the help of power role leads.

Indeed, that is one of the things I was talking about. Obviously I wasn't going to offer that "out" pre-claims though.



Sorry, I didn't realize you were reading incorrectly. Now I understand how you can perceive anything you wish.



Defensive against what?

You said hat was against a plan, which he never was. And he gave a FoS, which he never did.
The "link" you mentioned in your wall was that I was all of a sudden for it, but that would imply I was at some point against it, which is also not true.
Thinking I made a slip isn't a problem with your reading, just an insult to my intelligence. I can let that go though.