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Linkzmax on 28 August 2012
hatmoza said:

That said, I don't want to get in the "but we don't know if scum can talk during the day" argument. My position on the matter is purely instinctive. And although my warning to not dwell on the newbs stands, I didn't say we should COMPLETELY eliminate all discussion about them as well. see bolded.

Okay, I'm addressing a concern. First, you "don't" bring up mafia daytalking, which I believe is not like you. I don't recall such caution when you were gung-ho about so-called newb scum tells in the past.

radishhead said:
Unsure:

c03n3nj0 - the only player that seems to have read my first post correctly, but the fact that nobody else did suggests that it could be very unobvious to an "untrained eye" - ie. there's always the possibility that he's been discussing it in a Quicktopic.

And now radish is talking about it.

What gives guys?



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Linkzmax on 28 August 2012
mantlepiecek said:
Linkzmax said:

Are you trying to say that having a set of questions for mario is supposed to be evidence of not buddying up to hat?

I should be the one saying something like "How is pointing out your fallacious argument(while agreeing on the other points of the post) a quick defense, when I was already questioning mario?"

I think I might have confused myself with that post while replying.

And I kind of changed my tune about hat because of your post, it was a goood observation. Would you disagree?

It was a good observation, otherwise I would not have posted it. However, I don't think you would have such a strong opinion of hat based on the multiple characters thing, so the meat of hat's post remained fairly possible despite his error. What about the observation swayed your opinion?



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Linkzmax on 28 August 2012
Yoshiya said:

If we know say most of the Rainbow Dashs we can group them together and investigate them as a seperate group making it easier to work out which one is mafia. Also, if we know multiples of one character then the town ones instantly become safer because by killing them off the mafia lowers the list of suspects with that character. I think Radish is trying to cover up what he worked out after saying that.

HoS Radish

How is searching for 4 or 5 scum out of 15 players easier than searching for individuals within smaller groups?

Yoshiya said:
radishhead said:

@Yoshiya: I mean would you be happy if everyone claimed what character they were?

If I could trust everyone to tell the truth but I know I can't. If we were to do that all the townies would tell the true as they would have no reason to lie but then the mafia would make it so they weren't in at least one of the suspect groups. The only way it would work would be for each person to truly claim at some point or for us to find out another way. However, now I have been forced to post this (although I doubt it would have happened anyway) I know that won't happen, ruining this method.

You have effectively made my suggestion pointless which suggests you either didn't want it to go through or didn't think it would work. Based on my previous suspicions I am going to say the former.

(To everyone else, I know that it was unlikely for the mafia to truly claim if they did claim anyway)

You're right, mafia would have to be a bunch of dummies to willingly follow a strategy that would out them in quick order.(Even if it probably wouldn't do such a thing anyway) And why did you explain the obvious hole in your plan when it was a simple yes/no question? There's no reason to blame radish for your suggestion falling through. Furthermore, to assume it is the "former" based on your earlier suspicions is circular logic.



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Linkzmax on 28 August 2012
theprof00 said:
@ yoshi
Ya i know the dr thing isnt anything. But it is interesting that he calls me mafia for it, ignoring and avoiding the more important point that he asked for something that he admits would help mafia, in a game where meta wont help anyone.. that looks like misdirection to me.
Similarly he says "I questioned doctor evil picture because as the name suggests, he is evil. " misdirection .
Noc is known for hinting at his roles.

I think perhaps noc is a good target for watching. Dont specifically watch him, but watcher please consider him.

You mean radish instead of Noc, yes?



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Linkzmax on 28 August 2012
Soleron said:
Everyone needs to stop waiting for others to make a move and start making one themselves. Vote someone, pressure them on their scum activity, get reads from people's reaction or lack of reaction to the case you're doing.

FoSing a huge bunch of people is very unhelpful because it leads to making decisions based on feelings and allowing real mafia to evade questioning if they so wish.

I picked up pezus and no one was interested in either pressing him also, defending him, doing some analysis of his replies or in fact anything. We need to create a strong town environment where mafia play /can be distinguished from/ impulsive, indecisive, lurky town play.

You voted and unvoted pezus in the span on 3 hours, on a Sunday. I understand what you were trying to do with the vote, and given his change it was effective; however, it's unlikely people are going to follow suit with pressure when you hopped off so quickly. There was a pseduo-defense by hatmoza that you never said anything about, though prof did.

Otherwise I agree that a strong town environment is needed.



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Linkzmax on 28 August 2012
zero129 said:

yes i agree the town needs to be more active and start talking about this stuff we need a lynch before the day ends so i will be casting a vote i just need to decide on who to cast it on, but its kinda hard to decide when no ones talking so i can profile them lulz.

So many people say this. If as town you want town to be active, then you need to be active yourself as well. Get people talking.



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Linkzmax on 28 August 2012
theprof00 said:
I disagree about Radish.
Radish is simply a player who comes in with no real strategy whatsoever. He just comes in and says things, and then reacts. I'm actually leaning town with him.

Why the change in attitude from your previous posts on him?(I can get links if need be)

I have leaned back and forth myself, but the general suspicion of him and lack of defense for him makes me think town.



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Linkzmax on 28 August 2012
zero129 said:
Yoshiya said:
zero129 said:
Ok this is my list so far

HoS: Radish i stated why i gave this earlier and it still stands.
HoS: Noctis. He has not been here enough i find that strange.
FoS: Spurge i find it strange how he said "I do not think we should let them go as far as wiibox went a few games back," about me an Yoshi. Now i dont know what happened with wiibox, but it almost feels like he is sending out a secret message that me an Yoshi should be taking out O_O . And since he never replied when i asked him what he meant i just find it strange.

The was 1 more who i cant think of right now but im sure i will get to it later

I'm pretty sure someone mentioned wiibox as a response to hat earlier. He was a noob mafia that managed to make people think he was town through things like acting confused which is more of a noob town thing to do.

i dont know man, it sounds like a hit to me ya know a secret calling "Them guys know too much take them out"

Dont be surprised if you wake up with a dead 'horse' xD head in your bed in the morning, or even worse dont wake up at all.

All i know i will be sleeping with one eye open tonight .

Thats all a big joke btw cos i have nothing better to say at this time lulz

You're seeming overly naive. Why would a mafia spurge openly suggest killing you and yoshi down the line?



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Linkzmax on 28 August 2012
c03n3nj0 said:
Anyways, linkz has been uncharacteristically quiet. What's up, linkz?

Have I been? What could it mean?

Oh, I am getting a town-on-town vibe from radish versus mantle.



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Linkzmax on 28 August 2012
Final-Fan said:

 

Who should get the potion? L-7 L-6 L-5 L-4 L-3 L-2 L-1 L-0 - Potion time
No Lynch (Nopony gets the potion today)

           
Mantlepiecek Stefl1504  radishhead            
radishhead
             
morenoingrato supermario128 c03n3nj0  Soleron          
Noctis_Nox pezus              
spurgeonryan Stefl1504              

Stefl isn't a double voter. Are unvotes required? (Yes=mantle,No=spurge)

 

Let's have ourselves a race between moreno and Noctis for becoming model active players, shall we?

Vote: Noctis



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