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radishhead on 16 September 2012

Do I sound like I've thought it through? I'm actually clueless, but I'm going to try my best to make that no longer the case.

For the record, as it stands I'm favouring Zero as the final mafia, but I'm going to need to do a bit of analysis before I can say anything for certain.



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radishhead on 16 September 2012

I'm just as frustrated by the complete lack of guilty suspects that I've scanned this round as you, Pezus



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radishhead on 16 September 2012
pezus said:
Since mario was not mafia as I thought he was, but just an arrogant townie (sorry mario, I now have a better read for you in the future lol), I am willing to admit there is no doctor and no cop.

When you say "no cop", are you suggesting that I'm lying about my role?

You realise that if I was mafia, I could easily have said that Zero was mafia and just wait for the game to be won

 

"Why do you think zero is the mafia and not me?"

Read Page 36; I think I've finally figured this out, will explain in another post



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radishhead on 16 September 2012

Basically, Zero's entire argument yesterday was "just wait until radish scans me innocent, and then we'll see what happens next" - my thought was that I might have scanned a mafia player innocent in the past, therefore the mafia knew that I was a naive cop, and would therefore not kill me. However, looking back on my past scans (pezus, mantle, mario, stefl, zero), it suggests that I haven't scanned a mafia innocent yet (until today; this is assuming that zero is the last mafia).

However, that theory would still make sense if zero was the mafia godfather all along. He'd wait for me to confirm him innocent, and then he'd make a lynch campaign based on why you're the last rarity, and therefore mafia.



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radishhead on 16 September 2012
pezus said:
It's interesting how easy it was for you to change your opinion. First you were almost sure about zero, but then you voted mario when he was getting pushed a bit. Then you left for hours...only to come back to the day being over.

You realise I was asleep when that mario bandwagoning (well, a bandwagon of 2 people) took place? I assumed people were going to wait to hear what I had to say before rush-lynching him like you did



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radishhead on 16 September 2012
pezus said:
radishhead said:
pezus said:
It's interesting how easy it was for you to change your opinion. First you were almost sure about zero, but then you voted mario when he was getting pushed a bit. Then you left for hours...only to come back to the day being over.

You realise I was asleep when that mario bandwagoning (well, a bandwagon of 2 people) took place? I assumed people were going to wait to hear what I had to say before rush-lynching him like you did

Does that not make you suspicious of me? What I mean is that you left your vote on, in a game where only two more votes are needed. That's pretty careless. Combine that with my reply above and the fact that you changed quickly from zero to mario as you felt the heat in the move go from left to right and bam! 

Yeah, it does make me more suspicious of you

The reason I was focusing the idea around Zero is because it was him that was basing his entire argument around "wait until radish clears me", not you. 



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radishhead on 16 September 2012

And you're acting like I wasn't suspicious at all of Zero yesterday - I was. I was suspicious of him the least out of the 4 of you, but I was still suspicious. It's just when looking at the events from the perspective that I've laid out, it makes more sense than any other



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radishhead on 16 September 2012
pezus said:

Scanning the first few pages again gives me confidence I am on the right path. Zero has never given me a particularly scummy vibe this game, just a vibe a new town player usually gives off.

- Yeah, he's been giving off this clueless vibe for the whole game; who's to say that isn't a mafia-formed creation? Yoshiya was a new town player, and I didn't get a vibe like that from him at all.

The entire early game was mostly about radish's 'slip' . Here are some notable posts that mantle summarizes.- http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4744683

- Looking back on that, it's pretty obvious to me that the mafia were using that "slip" (which I maintain was complete rubbish) to try to instill anti-radish sentiments in the town. Mantle was the leader, but players like Spurge were definitely encouraging it. 

j0, a mafia player, defends radish and attacks mantle - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4744881

- Since Mantle was town too, I'm just going to put that one down to j0 trying to look town by defending me just in case I did get lynched that day (it was a possibility)

your suspicion list, every SINGLE one of your 'maybe mafia' are townies. 2 scum in the "unsure", a classic tactic. - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4745277

- I may not have gotten any guilty scans, but by combining my scans with the meta, we've managed to lynch 3 mafia thanks to me. I've been arguably more responsible for the deaths of scum this round than any other; why would I put myself in such a crazy position - hell, why would players like Spurge and Prof allow me to do that?





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radishhead on 16 September 2012
zero129 said:
mantlepiecek said:

Here is an interesting theory (may or may not be true):

Mr. Zero scum is trying to lynch mario out of everyone. But why? Why Mario when there is pezus? Why is mario the godfather, when pezus could be as well?

It's because once mario dies, Mr. Zero Scum here has another chance at a mislynch, and will go towards pezus after killing either me or radish during this night.

So how is the theory?

_________________________

 

To mario,

Thoughts please.

Mantle it was a very valid reason why  i suspected Mario. Also well trying to make my point look invalid you left out the very main point of why i thought mario looked scummy so good job.

I think at this stage before we vote for anyone we should at least have a very good reason why(Something i did with Mario).

But your only reason for lynching me Mantle is that i wasnt scanned by radish, and also that i claimed nurse.

Now why are you defending Mario so much hmm?, and also id like you to claim please. Since you dont suspect Mario you have no reason not to and you said to pezus that you would so you might as well do it now mantle.

Also why have you still not answered my question mantle. If i was scanned last night by Radish and he confirmed me as town who would you then want to lynch?.

Zero, you've always found a way to answer questions in the past- even if the explanations made no sense. Why did you blatantly avoid this question from Mantle?



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radishhead on 16 September 2012
pezus said:
radishhead said:
And you're acting like I wasn't suspicious at all of Zero yesterday - I was. I was suspicious of him the least out of the 4 of you, but I was still suspicious. It's just when looking at the events from the perspective that I've laid out, it makes more sense than any other

+the day before you insta-voted me with sloppy reasoning. So which one is it, zero or me? Or you maybe?

Right now, I don't know - I've got evidence for both, as you can see. Although the parts against you basically come down to why did you hammer mario yesterday? You didn't give much of a reason at the time



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