The rivalry between Sega and Nintendo was nothing compared to Sony's brute force attack on the industry. The Genesis and SNES fought over a marginal 50% of the industry. Sony took the industry over. The Playstation destroyed both the Saturn and N64. Both of which had truly great games. The Dreamcast had some of the best games of the generation, but nobody bought it.

Why didn't they buy it? There are three reasons and only one of them is Sega mistakes. The other two reasons are; The Playstation brand was "cool", and Sony said the PS2 would be able to do photorealism. When the Dreamcast hit the market Sony started saying the PS2 would be "Toy Story" quality. Gamers decided to ignore the amazing games on Dreamcast and wait for the promised superiority of the PS2. When the PS2 did finally hit the market it had no great games for a year and the ones it did have didn't look any better than Shenmue on Dreamcast. But it was too late for Sega and the Dreamcast died early, before it could be optimized. Even when devs started optimizing the PS2's graphics the games never looked or played substantially better than the Dreamcast. We lost an innovator and an industry co-founder because people believed the Sony hype machine. Sega was in trouble financially after the Saturn got taken out by the Playstation. Sega pined all their hopes on the Dreamcast. They did everything right and it should have been a success. When I play my Dreamcast I can't help but notice how ahead of it's time it was.

It doesn't matter that Sega labeled it's faster processor "Blast processing", or correctly stated that the Genesis could do what the NES could not. What matters is Sony intentionally killed the Dreamcast with a lie.  I'm an old school gamer and Sega is a big part of my childhood. Watching Sony destroy something I loved isn't something I can easily forget even after I've moved on. Like I said, I don't hate Sony and I enjoy their products. I just wish I had a Dreamcast 2 and could play Shenmue 3. The Xbox was the last straw that broke the Dreamcast's back, but Sony packed on bail after bail. It was just business, but it crippled one of my favorite game companies.

I'm a big Sega fan, it was a great part of my childhood and my first console was a Master System. But Sony isn't the only responsable for his fall. Sega screwed the consumers with the expensive Sega CD being replaced by 32X almost imediatly. And screwed everyone again launching Saturn a year after. And once again, screwed Saturn with poor support (not even a real Sonic game). The Dreamcast was their first thing done right since Genesis, but it was too late. There is a limit for how much a company can damage its reputation and still be succesfull in the market.

I hate PS3 fanboys personally they really are the worst of the worst. Thankfully fizzling out over time and they finally get rehabilitated into being normal people but I'm still scared by the "PS3 games exclusive" lists I'm afraid and have frequent nightmares.

I do have a PS3 since it was hacked because I like free games and the PS3 exclusives are graphically better than anything on the 360.

But mostly it's just Sony I don't like, the way they talk, this elitist speak, their marketing, arrogance, disrespect to customers, root kits, responsible for death of HD DVD, over priced accessories, just the general shitty way they do business, it's sleazy and I don't like it.

I dislike the fans obsession with all things Sony, I dislike when fans capitalize SONY, I dislike the narrow minded ignorance a lot of them show. The childish stubborn attitude - even the older fairly well educated ones who aren't retards.

Just my view.




I love Sega but that's mostly nostalgia I accept that, I am fairly neutral to Microsoft, I dislike their overpriced hard drives but they genuinely are optional still a bloody cheek. I have no view on nintendo,

You do realize that sony Fanboys only exist becuase Microsoft Fanboys were relentlessly agressive in their hatred towards our console, right?  there were Xbox Fanboys long before Sony Fanboys had any need to say anything, due to them being on top for so long.  

Playstation sucks, PS3 has no games, PSN sucks, PS3 is too expensive, etc, all mantras borne of the Xbox crowd declaring 'victory' over their perceived rival.  before all that stuff happened, Sony fans just didn't give a shit, as far as I could tell.  I heard a bit of a fight between the 64 and PS1, but it was relatively tame. 

Granted, the PS3 HAD no games for the first couple years of its life, andit was too expensive, but that lasted only 2-3 years before it got turned around and now the PS3 is the best bang for your buck, has more reliable hardware, PSN is free, and has the best blend of exclusive and multiplat games of the three major consoles. 

We're elitist becuase we're right.  

Of course, that doesn't mean you HAVE to agree, you are entitled to like or hate however you please, but the math doesn't lie.  PS3 and Xbox 360 are so close overall that there is no strong argument one way or another who's 'winning', not to mention the PS3 has all the multiplats that are on 360 AND on wii (not a lot of games shared between Wii60, but some decent PSWii multiplats and a LOT of PS360 multiplats), as well as being just a shade below Wii for exclusives and well above the 360, and well above the Wii for digital and just a shade below the 360 for digital distribution. 

It's the most balanced of the consoles, with two major bonuses:  Blu Ray and free online play that actually works.  

The funny thing is, I don't hate any consoles, look at my signature, but there's no doubt the PS3 is the best of the systems, and the only reason PS3 fanboys look horrible is becuase of how aggressively they had to fight back against Xbox 360 fanboys early this generation.  And yet the public perception is STILL that sony is a horrible company and every minor slipup they have is supposedly further proof of their corporate evil, yet other companies make equally huge blunders and people just don't give a shit.   There's a bit of an uproar on specialized websites for about a day or two before dying down, but if Sony delays a feature or takes away something that nobody's using, and there will be HELL to pay.  

I repeat, Sony fanboys are only the worse becuase they get the most hatred and judgement, therefore they have to fight back the hardest.  

It seems you don't remember PS1 days, when Sony fanboys trolled ad nauseam Nintendo and Sega fans

its funny because of all the irony

oh I remember it, but they certainly weren't nearly as bad as the console wars are this generation.  Perhaps I was too young to pay attention, but around the PS1 and N64 days, I was only like 10 years old, and even back then I got a LOT of N64 people decrying the Ps1's graphical inferiority than the other way around...then again I was 10 and this was 1996, the internet was still in its infancy, so I barely saw it.  

But I don't remember much hate or ignorance from PS1 users, but a LOT from nintendo users.  Sega barely registered on the radar so I didn't give a shit :P

You don't remember because you were a child, and because you are a Sony fan, so it's natural that you remember more the hate against the company you loved than the hate against the other companies. I can assure you that Sony fanboys pissed everyone with their arrogance, so don't act as it's something new and in retaliation to other fanboys.

Little known fact about me:  Back then I was a RABID nintendo fanboy...like, I remember when I got a PS1 for christmas one year, I was PISSED that it wasn't an N64.  So no, your assertions are incorrect.  Back then, I was a Nintendo fanboy who STILL thought N64 people were needlessly harsh against PS1.  

Yeah, Sega made mistakes. Sega fans got burned. I never really felt that way, but it's true that fans took a hit. But the Dreamcast broke sales records when it launched. That means Sega fans returned. The Dreamcast looked like it was going to do great. Until the dark shadow of PS2 hype smoothered Sega. Playstation fans, the largest fan base at the time, had no intention of ever trying a game on anything other than a Sony system. That had nothing to do with Sega's past mistakes and everything to do with the Playstation brand being "cool" in popular culture. Sega did everything right with the Dreamcast. It was a critical darling. The games were amazing. But Sony said the PS2 would be better than sex and people believed the hype. The PS2 took over the entire market before it earned it. The PS2 went on to have a truely great library of games, but those aren't the games that convinced people to avoid the Dreamcast. During the first year of PS2 the Dreamcast had the better games. People ignored all the great Dreamcast games and let it die while they waited for PS2 to muster up the games we now look back as classics.

The Sega Saturn has some of my all time favorite games, but Sega made a lot of mistakes with it. I liked the Sega CD thanks to Working Designs and a few shooters, but the FMV fad gave it a bad name. The 32X sold so poorly it couldn't have left a bad taste in the majority of gamer mouths. The Dreamcast may have been the best Sega console since the Genesis, but it was also ahead of it's time, worth every penny, and is still fun to play today.

Yes it's true that Sega could have survived the PS2 assault if company hadn't lost so much money with the Sega CD, 32X and Saturn. But it's also true that if gamers, real gamers, had choosen fun instead of waiting Sega could still be producing hardware today. If I see a game I want to play I buy the machine it's on. Even if I have to skimp and save to get it. It wasn't Sega's past that frightened off buyers, it was Sony's false hype that swayed them away. Like I said, I don't hate Sony and it's all just business. But Sony tripped Sega during the last mile of a marthon and Sega never finished the race. Damn I want a Dreamcast 2 with Rez 2, Shenmue 3, and Panzer Dragoon Saga 2.